Get Boosted Now & ignore the last week.

But no-one is. The position is that those people present a greater chance of transmission, infections and variants and shouldn't therefore expect to have the same access to crowded events. But it's still their choice whether to get vaxxed.

 

Someone who is fully vaccinated can still get covid and pass it on, so how on earth is that a better option than a negative lateral flow test in terms of reducing transmission? It isn't, whichever way you try to dress it up. Vaccines are brilliant at stopping the majority of us going into hospital but they don't stop spread which is the whole reason for the passports in the first place.

We are going weekly at present to hospital as my partner is pregnant. They ask for neg lat flows each time- why isn't proof of vaccine status sufficient I wonder? Hmmm

 

On the other hand......

Covid-19: Do vaccines reduce the risk of spreading coronavirus? | New Scientist

Pay your money and take your choice.

 

I think you need to re-read what I put. I never said they don't reduce the spread. I said you can still pass it on, and you can.

 

Sorry my bad. Rushing and misread. Thought you were saying there's no evidence that vaccines reduce transmission when you were talking about COVID passports. That's probably almost impossible to study with anything other than ecological studies (pretty poor evidence) and would take too long.

I'm not a huge fan of COVID passports despite being very Pro vaccination.

 

Lateral flow tests don't stop spread either.

They give lots of false negatives and provide reassurance that your aren't infected when you are.

Get vaccinated and use LFTs before going to events.

It's a bit like saying just because we have Bradley Collins we don't need Anderson and helik. Multiple layers of defence work better than one.

 

And is reducing the spread not a desirable objective, given the situation we're in?

 

Tweet from the same guy who wrote that article you posted .

 

You're not mandating a medical injection - simply setting conditions for participating in certain events where large numbers gather. That seems to me an eminently sensible proposition. You may disagree.

 

They dont give loads of false negatives, we've known for months they were more reliable than first thought.

You are debating with someone who is fully up to date with his vaccines and is taking regular lat flow tests. You don't have to prove to me how valuable they are, what Im pointing out is that they stop transmission by just over half, which isn't a huge amount in the scheme of things. Couple that with vaccines reducing symptoms and you have a perfect storm. Therefore, in my opinion, lat flows within 24 hours before visiting an event- the same rule as for hospitals- should be the rule not passports.

 

But that's my point. You can pick opinions out on either side, so in the end you have to form your own view.

 

Don't think that's what I said, Loko. It's you who is calling it blackmail.

 

Yet I've demonstrated to you that vaccinated people including me can still pass on Covid- even if thats 40% of us- so why are passports useful when a simple lateral flow is surely more reliable and safe? Coupling the two is better in terms of preventative, but it shouldn't create a two tier system which you're trying to deny would happen.

 

Not really . The article you posted was from a couple of months ago where as COVID is an evolving crisis . New evidence will come forwards which should alter your pov .

 

I am not sure if you are just being stubborn or what. If someone has been vaccinated against covid but theres still a 40% chance they could pass it onto you, are you telling me you'd take that over a lateral flow test? Are you telling me that in a huge crowd of people nobody is going to have or spread covid if they're triple vaccinated.

It is nonsense and you know it is.

 

I'm not denying that would happen - I'm saying it's justified and a reasonable and proportionate measure in the face of a public health emergency. We should also bear in mind that what is proposed is a temporary measure.

 

Do you see wearing a seatbelt as blackmail?
The smoking ban?
instruction not to serve drunk people in pubs ?

All areas of public health instruction?

 

If I had taken a lateral flow test on Sunday and produced it to you I assume I could get in to your pub today? But what if I had been round Sheffield all day yesterday?