Efl players refused to have vac

But apparantly the vaccine doesn't stop you getting the virus so whether you are jabbed or not the virus is transmissable regardless. It doesn't really matter if a player or anyone is jabbed or not in the context of getting and passing it on. The vaccine apparently lowers the risk of death - that is the death of the individual having the vaccine - so how exactly are unvaccinated people 'inflicting themselves on the rest of us?' And how is this new variant overwhelming the NHS when it apparantly poses a far lesser risk than the Delta? The NHS is overwhelmed every winter and most people shouldn't be admitted to hospital with this variant, apparently.

In terms of long term effects that you allude to, let's take a look at the long term effects of chronic mental illness as a result of this pandemic; let's take a look at suicide rates, job losses, businesses going under. Let's take a look at ourselves for pointing the finger at our neighbours and not those in power. Let's look at people like Chris Witty, who not only apparantly provides us with 'the science' but also now asks of us: who and what are important enough to prioritise in our lives and who are not? Who gave Chris Witty licence to ask us that, is he a sociologist now as well? And let's look at the patterns of the last two years, the behaviours of governments and the media, and the wedge that has been driven through us all. It's not about the unvaccinated, it's about the lies, and it's about something not quite adding up. One example of something not adding up is flu: why did flu take a year off last year, and why were flu programmes suspended (I.e. not even talked about) within the NHS?

 

Amen, and well said.

 

The more people who get vaccinated the lower the risk of mutations developing. Apparently.
Why are you using the mental health angle as an argument when the whole point of the vaccine is to make people safer and reduce or renove the need for the lockdowns that were causing mental anguish?

 

On your first point, that doesn't seem to have worked as it has mutated hasn't it?

In terms of mental health decline as a result of the pandemic, this is something that is overlooked; it is an epidemic of itself and it's wrong to ignore it. The struggles of many people haven't gone away, and there are long-term effects that are worth highlighting, particular when the poster I responded to talked of the long term effects of the virus - the vast majority of people recover from a virus, particularly the vaccinated. Apparantly.

On making people safer and removing the need for lockdowns, where do I start? The vast majority of the UK has been vaccinated and here we are facing further restrictions, possible lockdowns and tier systems no doubt. The government pleading with people to get a booster just as omicron comes along, spreading the fear again and ramping up the narrative, telling the bbc to do its job and promote the booster jab (is that the role of the bbc now?).

I went out for a works Christmas do tonight. 50% dropped out through fear alone. It was the first time I'd seen most of my colleagues in two years, and it meant a lot just to speak face to face and not on a screen. The mental health implications of this pandemic will be felt for years to come, and to ignore that, and at the same time convince ourselves that people feel safer and less restricted because of this endless vaccine programme is a fallacy.

 

Just because there HAS been a mutation doesn't mean mass vaccination reduces the possibility. I'll happily go with the world's experts on that till they say different.
We are currently undergoing restrictions. But nothing like the scale of this time last year. That's because of vaccines.
I'm not an expert but what I've read suggests that the more people vaccinated the better. When the majority of health experts come out and say it doesn't matter if you get vaccinated or not I'll change my opinion. Until then I'll stick with the view that the sensible thing for my own health and the socially responsible thing to do to protect others is to get vaccinated.

 

Are you able to determine which ones are cocky ***** and which are genuinely exempt just from a quick estimation of age and gender?

 

Well, we were wearing masks and distancing. More hand washing too
I've not had so much as a cold since the first lockdown. Plus I got offered the flu vaccine for free last winter and this because they wanted to keep flu cases down.

 

I thought the point of that is an ars ehole alert.

see also ‘so-called virus’, any mention of ‘don’t know what’s in it’ ‘untested’.

 

Why "rightly so"?

 

We all have to check ourselves for unconscious bias obviously.

But at my age I reckon I’m pretty good at spotting an ars ehole at 50 metres and genuinely concerned for my fellow human beings without that ability.

 

Fans who don’t want/can’t have the vaccine has to ‘jump through the hoop’ of checking to see if they are infected by doing an LFT within 72 hours of a match day. The players have been ‘jumping through the hoop’ multiple times a week for around a year now.

 

Are they exempt from the 10,000 rule?

If a player is playing in front of more than the above figure, do they have to show proof of vaccination to enter?

Genuine question btw, I'm not being an arsehole for once. I presume the answer is no, as they're not actually mixing with the crowd - but you never know with 'Boris'.

Edit: Great to see arsehole bypassing the swear filter.

 

"all the uncertainty"

There's very little uncertainty. They work. Any medication comes with some degree of risk - have you read the leaflet in a box of paracetamol??!?

 

True.

Jumping through hoops is probably the wrong phrase.

 

Forget which team in Germany has said that any players who come down with covid will not be paid.Apparantly 5players have come down with it and the club says they are not getting paid as they refuse to have any jabs.So what do people think of that then.

 

I suppose that in a players contract it will say that the player should take reasonable precautions to safeguard their own health and prevent it impacting the squad as a whole, I would also assume that their contract will say that players should do whatever club health experts recommend. If that is the case it could be grounds for breach of contract and disciplinary action/sanctions by the club.

 

Players shouldn't be forced to have the jab but I think clubs won't sign players in the future who aren't vaccinated and think unvaccinated players who catch covid shouldn't get paid for missed games.

 

Not talking about if they work talking about all the stories about the uncertainty of the medicines through lack of long term testing etc.
The stories may or may not be unfounded but they are out there.
You have to remember top athletes are like fine tuned machines and if they think there is a risk of losing even 5% I can see they would be reluctant.

Using Paracetamols as are example is not even close as they have been tested and used for well over 100 years so I’m pretty sure people would know of the side effects(if there were any) by now.

 

You’d have thought if that was the case, majority of players would have had the jab as the club would have ensured it. The fact that so many haven't suggests it not.
That said I see Gerrard has said they will take if a player has been vaccinated etc into account when discussing contracts so it suggests it might start to come in.