Efl players refused to have vac

Is there a vaccine that they can take that would easily solve those issues.

Obese people to use your example are regularly refused treatments such as knee ops and IVF.

 

Couldn't have put it any better myself
like whitey post ....well said...

 

I agree it goes against all ethical principles having someone sign a waiver (as i prefer to call it ) against treatment.

Health professionals have and always will treat people when possible regardless of decisions a person has made. Witnessing A&E in the early hours of Sunday morning is testament to that.

 

I knew waver was spelt wrong but I went along with how he'd spelt it.

Now I'm paranoid that I don't know how spelt and spelled works

 

They do to some extent for 3 months or so. I shared this research the other day.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

 

Yes there's a fantastic vaccine against smoking. It's a sealed plastic wrapper that fags come in

 

To clarify is there a vaccine you can take to stop smoking?

you realise that the reasons for the issues you list are complex. The prime driver of obesity for example is poverty leading to poor diet. So once you had eradicated poverty and the choices were all personal I guess you could look into it

Again say smoking and drinking ( again you are excluded from some NHS services) addiction can be complex often linking to mental health issues or trauma or abuse.

I wouldn’t agree with limiting treatment to anyone who refused a vaccine but can understand the views of professionals who are exasperated with those who are blocking them treating cancer patients because of bed pressures from Covid patients who chose not to take very simple precautions

 

You be done it again!

 

You don't get your liver transplant unless you stop drinking.

 

There are a lot of parameters. For example if you have a mental health episode you can’t access mental health services while under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

Liver treatments I believe you are completely excluded from.

 

But unfortunately not everyone does check the source do they?

 

Not strictly true, I've care coordinated plenty of people with addiction problems secondary to schizophrenia/ psychosis etc. Depends on the service.

For therapy services at both primary and secondary level, this would be assessed on a case by case basis with a view to ascertaining the degree of substance misuse and how that might impact on retention/ homework etc.

 

The NHS do not refuse treatment to people because they smoke etc. They do however make the informed decision that they aren't fit enough to be treated. The reason behind that might be being a fatty or a smoker

 

Yes because I meant 'i knew waver was wrong but wrote it how they did'. I just worded it badly

 

That is because they know that drinking alcohol will harm the transplant. It isn't a case of them saying 'you caused this yourself be drinking previously so no transplant for you' which is the equivalent of the vaccine argument

 

here you go.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/lung-transplant/

 

You cannot get a lung transplant as a smoker. Care is rationed. You have the choice to stop smoking or receive the treatment. Moving the goalposts is not a great look after the initial amount of whataboutery

 

See above. You can quite smoking and have a transplant. You can't continue to smoke and have one has it is harmful. It isn't a decision made on ethics like you want to do with vaccination, it is purely on risk and is not comparative with vaccines in any way.

 

Speaking more of acute cases who can’t access crisis team services or if 136’d have to wait until they have sobered up/ cone down for assessment. Missis was sat in 136 for most of her shift a couple of nights ago with the coppers waiting for someone to be able to be seen.