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  1. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    The esteem Whitty is held in by professionals working in the field speaks volume. Anything shared by a right wing gutter rat like Fraser isn’t ‘data’. With a novel Coronavirus I’d say anything around 75% is much better than you’d expect

    Whitty doesn’t predict he’s not doing peoples star sign. He presents modelling data based around multiple scenarios. More than not he and SAGE have been correct.

    As for hospitality it’s his role to give advice based on modelling. It’s the Govts role to make decisions based on that data. Quite rightly people are going with the guy who spent last Christmas working in ICU rather than the Clown car ****. The Govt should have supported hospitality better. They didn’t because they are useless.
     
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    I’m sorry but not once have I questioned the esteem he’s held in. I’ve not even said he’s poor at his job, not qualified, or anything like that. You just ran that way?

    What I do know, whether this was intentional or not by the media or the government, is that his ‘modelling’ was communicated to a significant proportion of the population as a forecast. That was the objective of presenting that data at the time, and many times since.

    I’m afraid you really lose the discussion when you start throwing in ‘right win gutter rat’ comments. If there’s a fact out there that is true, it doesn’t matter if the source is BBC News, Fox News, CNN, Jeremy Corbin, or the Spectator. That graph is the actual position vs. the models. I find it infuriating and dishonest, in terms of what we’ve discovered tonight, that there was never even an intention to model realistic scenarios or possibilities.
     
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  3. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    im sorry describing someone who is a right wing gutter rat is just descriptive. I understand you like to get your information from people like him as they meet you ridiculous narrative along with all the other people who understand zero about epidemiology or virology. Luckily most of us without the vested interests that you have listen to experts.

    I am not trying to win or lose an argument you have been radicalised by the interweb misinformation junkies and there is not enough hours in my day or any willingness on my part to undo that. A small bit loud section of society agrees with you. The vast majority don’t.
     
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    You focus too much on the source and not the information. It’s irrelevant who the source is if the info is correct, and as it was shared and discussed with someone from sage I’ll stick to the info being valid. So maybe less accusations land more discussion on the actual point?

    Don’t care if I get accused of being rude again but accusing me of being radicalised by the interweb, because I shared some factual data……..seriously? You go on about narrative, but look at the massively incorrect accusations you’re making just because someone doesn’t share the same view as you. This is where the left do lose credibility because they kill the discussion.
     
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    On this issue of source. Isn't the source actually the government anyway? The government were the ones hosting a press conference in which their appointed representatives announced the forecasted (sorry modelled) outcomes and the government are the ones issuing daily figures so who is actually the source? The person putting out those figures or the person who takes those figures and puts them on a graph?
     
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    Pretty much. Who I shared shouldn’t have influenced the conversation but sadly it does.
     
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    Last person I'd be quoting, this Tufton Street backed extremist is extremely good and well financed to sell well packaged disinformation.
    Him and his chums are dangerous, they've created carnage on our streets. His publication gives a voice internationally to some extremely dangerous people. He and Mr Neil are seen as establishment figures, they are very visible. However trust me on this, the company they keep is counter to British values.
     
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    meanwhile on the real world
     
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    I’m quoting the graph, as the graph is the important part of the discussion. Speaking about who shared data not challenged by Sage really is a pointless debate, no?
     
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    That is a much bigger issue. That so many people are forced to isolate when they catch it (whether symptomatic or asymptomatic) is causing such a labour shortage, especially in key industries and jobs. I'm not claiming to have an answer to that by the way.

    Slightly related but what are the rules these days regarding contacts isolating?
     
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    Didn’t we have Brexit protests and BLM marches during one of the first two waves of Covid? I remember shouts that it would lead to breakouts but it never did.

    Not that I would have joined them, or condone it, but we’ve surely got to be consistent when condemning crowds like this. The videos of the fighting were just awful and stupid. You lose what you’re protesting for at that point.
     
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    I honestly don’t know. Memory tells me it isn’t the full ten days if you’re fully vaccinated but the goalposts have moved so much in the last few days. Do people even get pinged anymore?
     
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    You don’t have to isolate as a contact if you’re double jabbed but are advised to do a daily lateral flow for 7 days.
     
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    I can be consistent when condemning crowds like this.

    They're all in need of condemnation.
     
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    I had Covid just over 3 months ago. I’m double jabbed & have nothing against the booster or the vaccines but is it even worth me having it yet?

    I’ve seen events saying that if you’ve had Covid within the last 6 months you can show that as proof you’re Covid free to get in, so does that mean I can’t get it for another 2 months?

    I’m no fan of needles & felt ill for a few days after one so am I right in thinking I might as well go get one towards the end of February rather than now as I already have sufficient antibodies?
     
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    180 days I think based on what I’ve been looking at tonight, but also seen 90 days mentioned. For travel you can get a certificate of recovery signed off by an online GP and for events you just show your positive test with the date.
     
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    Why is there the assumption that these patients are all asymptomatic, with no ill effects which will affect their treatment. I wouldn't like to have COVID on top of something else.
     
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    Ask me that last part in the morning.

    To flip the question, why is there an assumption and acceptance that everyone counted as a hospitalisation is valid despite suggestions to the contrary from the data?
     
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    Well I suppose a stopped watch is right twice a day.
     
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    Especially if it’s quoting an official time. Such as a working Big Ben?
     
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