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  1. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    Take a breath, look again and read back some of the posts that have been written tonight and then get a grip.

    I watched the game tonight and the performance was ok, we narrowly lost to one of the top teams in the division.

    We will go down this year and rebuild next season, definitely.

    The owners will move on when they realise their plan has failed, you can not drive them out and think everything will be then ok, they will take notice that we dont like them and that they then will sell to a local multi millionaire business man who will plow all their own money in and we will then appoint Wilder, buy experienced players, be challenging and everything will be loads better.

    Turn up, sing, support our towns football team because anything else will not help.
     
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    The only thing narrow about that beating was the scoreline.
     
  3. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    I watched the game, we battled had chances, a few sloppy mistakes from a young midfield we lost to a team with a stronger better squad than ours away from home. We lost it wasnt a beating where we collapsed and gave up, they got the winner after Helic went off injured, Collins Brittain, Helik, Anderson Kitching, Styles, Morris, Oduor gave it a good go Benson Palmer Iseka struggled. Its not a devastatingly bad performance or unexpected result.
     
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    stairfoot.red Well-Known Member

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    Oh shut up talking ******** and you stand back and take your rose tinted specs off, the 80% mob are driving OUR club off a cliff edge with their complete and utter incompetent running of the club they took a successful blueprint left for them by the previous manager and ripped it up because they couldn't sell half the then successful squad in the summer and mistakenly believed they knew better than him. How ******* wrong they were
     
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    I don’t disagree about the bigger picture but we could quite deservedly have gone in 4-0 down at half time.
     
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    Better_Red_Than_Dead Well-Known Member

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    I get what you mean but we were comfortably second best tonight and couldn’t have had many complaints if we’d been 3 nil down at half time. And I think when we do drop, we’re looking at a few seasons in league 1. Nothing about this side gives me any confidence that we can bounce straight back. The last time we got relegated to the third tier there was a sense that we’d only just come up short and were only a player or two away from being an average championship side. I think we’re way off that this time round.

    I don’t have the same animosity towards the owners as lots on here do and I don’t think everything would magically be ok if they sold up. I do think their transfer policy is useless though - no clear strategy, very scattergun, and the only criteria seem to be that players are young and might have decent resale value; whether they add anything to the side seems to be a distant secondary consideration. And even on that metric I’d imagine it’s a failed policy: I don’t remember us selling anyone for a really big fee, and any transfer fees we have received must get eaten up in large part by having to essentially write off what we paid for players like Green, McGeehan, Sollbauer, Bambo, Ritzmaier, Bahre, Thomas, Kane (probably), Chaplin, Schmidt, Miller etc etc.
     
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    Does the "20%" have no say anymore then....

    I'm sure we felt just as **** when we couldn't compete under their stewardship either. Selling anything that moved, or not realising what they were worth.....

    The WHOLE set up is ****. Not just the 80% mob
     
  8. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    Like i said in my OP, get a grip. Read the utter nonesense you have wrote.
    Its pointless me stating over and over again the real world facts about footballers and managers careers, money in football etc and why BFC some seasons struggle because a lot are not interested in that. Its over the top ******** people prefer to spout.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point - even through your rose-tinted spectacles you've highlighted reasons why we we aren't good enough to compete in this league - "sloppy mistakes", "other teams with stronger better players" etc. The fact that it wasn't 'unexpected' is cold comfort - particularly when the 'expected' result every game is a defeat.
     
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  10. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    We are not good enough to compete in this league, last season was a one off, Dike, Mowatt were the difference last year and we couldnt afford either. No crowds and 5 subs were a big reason for the success, one off. No rose tinted glasses just clear obvious facts.
     
  11. Dun

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

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    I saw some effort and decent play from us tonight, they are a stronger team than us , no complaints from tonights match. We have to keep going and hopefully get stronger for a decent push next year in league 1
     
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    Blackburn were very nervy tonight and we weren't set up to capitalise until we were losing and it was too late.
    Not too sure about definitely rebuilding next season either, I think we got lucky with a settled squad and good manager last time in league 1.
     
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    Im not going to agree with you - when Stuber took over he had us playing mid table football - - yes we would have gone down without the covid help but think we would have come straight back up. Last season before Dyke and Morris we were playing top half football under Val - true that the 5 subs rule helped but I am sure last season even with crowds and 3 subs under Val we would have been at worst mid table

    Problem this season is two fold the players are being forced to play a way they arent best suited to and have lost confidence - the appointement of Schopp was a disaster and he was left in charge for too long. Maybe had Poya taken over earlier we wouldnt be so lacking - there are definite signs of improvement but most of Blackburns chances came from our mistakes not them carving us open like happened earlier.
    We actually created some decent chances and if we could get some confidence back and stop trying to play like Barcelona when the players arent good enough we could start winning a few games but if we have to maintain this playing from the back we will never get the confidence and will keep losing more games than we draw. I dont think even if Val came back in January and ignored the stupid play to improve value instruction we would stay up now but we would close the gap
     
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    Why didn't the last manager leave THEM with a successful blueprint didn't THEY decide to change the playing style that had been successful and wasn't the change made because THEY believed last season was a failure because THEY didn't sell half the squad on the back of it. They have managed to fritter away every piece of good fortune theyve had while running Barnsley FC mainly through utter incompetent and inept running of the club mixed in with an utter contempt for its supporters. They've had the supporters onside more than once and found a way of driving them away each time 21 words West Stand voucher scheme etc etc etc how anybody still has an ounce of faith in and support of them is beyond comprehension.
     
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    You had a look at the teams in league one?
    About half of them will be thinking the same thing!
     
  16. Dun

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    With players like Helik Anderson Kitching Styles Morris Brittain, Collins the recruitment isnt a complete failure with hopes of improvement from Sibbick Odour Kane, Iseka, Benson, Moon Halme, Cole. J Williams. Hopefully decent transger window in Jan and the summer, keep with Poya coaching the young lads we will be strong enough in league 1.
     
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    Ah, I get you, you're saying we should have waved a white flag and resigned our place as soon as Mowatt left and Dike went back to Orlando then. You'll be surprised to learn that I don't agree - there are plenty of teams of similar stature who built on last season despite also losing players. The essence of football is that there is no pecking order based on size or wealth once you are below the top four or five Premier League teams, just ask Sunderland, Wednesday and Ipswich.

    I'm struggling to spot your 'obvious facts'. Dike was great but he was part of the difference between comfortable mid-table and the play-offs not the difference between super-bottom and the play-offs. So was Morris and he's still here. I do agree that Mowatt was under-appreciated but he wasn't a difference last year to my mind as he'd been here the season before when form under Struber was also mid-table. I've been to every game bar two this season and have yet to encounter an intimidating opposition crowd that has influenced any game and the subs thing is a complete red herring given that for the most part Val unnecessarily used one of the five subs switching Sollbauer and Sibbick and one on Palmer cos he wasn't fit to do a whole game - he still isn't and that is a failure of management, not an impact of there only being 3 subs.
     
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    I havent any faith or support for the owners but i have for our football club, thats what my OP is about. Walkouts, demonstrations, toxic atmosphere, abuse, staying away wont make these owners sell up to better owners and leave. It will only destroy our club further where any players we have will want to just get away, if we support the coach and players may be things might pick up.
     
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    No its pretty clear im not saying that we should have waved the white flag, The issue this season was Schopp and the early injuries to Morros and Anderson plus Benson and Gmoez havent worked out as expected. Poya has had a slow start with a team low on confidence. With our sized fan base and structure there are no guarentees to success and as we have seen many times over the years we have ups and downs.
     
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    Given the fact the players and 3 head coaches have managed just 2 wins in over half a season the fact they have anybody turning up to support them from the stands is a measure of the supporters support of OUR football club. The players cannot complain about the level of support they've had but sadly it's not made any difference to their performances so far this season.
     
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