Chien lee other clubs thread

Nancy - rock bottom

Den bosch - 13th lost the last 6 from 7. Sold players and bought players from their other club esbjerg.

Esbjerg- 4th bottom. Offloaded a couple. See what happens.


Oostende - 4th bottom. Offloaded players to den bosch

Fc thun - mid table 5th. Their newest club (only been a year). Relegated last season.

It is quiet clear they are penny pinching and have no clue about football.

I know it's a common thing owners signing players from their owned clubs but I don't think they have done their homework of the quality between each leagues.

Morons

 

Just to correct this, Thun are 5th (of 10!) in the second division having been relegated from the top division under the incompetents in 2019/20 (they took over in November 2019). Thun reached the second division play-offs last year but lost to Cavare's team and have slumped to mid-table this season.

So not doing well.

 

Sorry mate you are correct. I'll edit it.

 

It’s remarkable the amount of interviews they do about their successful footballing empire

 

Maybe not so remarkable when you think they are trying to peddle the success story to investors.....

You can’t polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.

 

Correct. The more clubs you own the more investment you get to buy more clubs. None of their backers will understand or care about leagues and performances as they know nowt about football. It’s all about building the biggest empire. Can’t go wrong either as its all based on data and that’s never wrong.

As they say in Silicon Valley – ‘fake it until you make it.’

Or get found out of course.

 

I think that Barnsley going from the playoffs to the worst team in the league in 12 months is a decent story that will pick up national media interest when we go down. Will be bad for their PR. Hopefully they will have some awkward questions to answer

 

Agree, and it’s down to the fans to maximise that publicity. Investors do not want to be associated with failures.

 

The question I'd ask is whether it is a failure, I suppose. We're not a football club, we're a production line - and it's been suggested that playing passing football to get the players' stats up is the best way of making profit off them. Perhaps even this team would be able to play out from the back in League One, and if that's the best way of increasing transfer values then from a business perspective it could end up more or less working.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the numbers had been run and they'd decided that Barnsley - or any of their clubs - are a more profitable enterprise when they're not being run to actually compete for anything. A good League One run could potentially net the club a big amount in fees for the players that get us promoted from profligate teams in the Championship. Then we pocket the £6m, restock with kids, get relegated again and repeat the operation. If you separate yourself from what makes a club actually worth following, a L1/Championship yo-yo club could well be the best value of them all...

Think Crewe from a couple of decades ago, but as a money-making operation rather than a club-sustaining one.

 

Den Bosch are their newest club. FC Thun were the third club they took a stake in but only 25%. Nancy loaned several players from Oostende causing ructions in France.

https://www.insideworldfootball.com...otest-nancy-owner-pmgs-flouting-transfer-ban/

 

If they have 'run' the numbers and come up with that result I would contend that their financial model has come form the same production line as the spreadsheet for players judging by the recent successes.

 

I certainly think it's risky, but not completely insane if you take into account that they're not fans of the club and don't care where it is as long as they can make it turn a profit. Profit doesn't come with success on the field - in fact, for most of the Championship over the past decade or so it's probably been inversely correlated unless a team has hit the jackpot and gone up (but you'll know a lot more about that than me!). Meanwhile haven't Peterborough had a decent few profitable years in League 1? Hypothetically, if I weren't bothered about football at all, but was looking for value without needing to invest myself, I'd be wondering whether giving Darragh MacAnthony's model a bit of a tweak might be worth trying, and Barnsley are exactly the kind of club at which I'd want to do it.

I'm not saying that I think it'll work, by the way. Just that I wouldn't be surprised if that was the thought process. I can't think of many other reasons for dropping a pretty successful playing system and replacing it with the same one that's utterly failed here every time it's been tried since these guys came in!

 

i remember last time we went down and appointed an unknown Daniel stendel some fans thought we’d go down again and they surprised us. I always thought we’d do well that season. I must admit though that this current squad minus Collins, Anderson, Helick, Styles, Woodrow and Morris I really can’t see doing much. I would expect a few signings from league 2. Who the manager is would be anyones guess.

 

Sure, but if Styles regains his mojo in the league below and Morris scores 20 goals then that's probably £6-8m right there if we make the playoffs. If you don't want to pay for a championship side then showcasing a handful of championship players in a league one side is potentially a good way of making the best of the cash you do have. Like I say, it's risky - just wouldn't surprise me. After all, they won't much care if it all fails spectacularly and we go out of business.

 

Why wouldn't that continue? Remember that for the purposes of this exercise I'm pretty much ignoring the fact that it's a football club - if they can find a way to turn Barnsley FC into a business that makes a couple of million a year then the law says that they're more than welcome to take it out as profit. Improving the value of the club then becomes irrelevant, or at least takes a back seat.

Regarding your second point, we may have been close to twice to making it work in the Championship, but I'd be surprised if our most profitable season in terms of player sales wasn't the one just after we came up.

 

they will all go in the summer. No way the board covers the 6-8 million losses from their own pockets

 

Not according to their Chairman, £3.5m losses in last full season pre COVID and predicting much bigger ones despite £10m for Toney.