I agree with you on this, which is why I approached my earlier posts carefully to be more inquisitive. But when it comes to the US, people with far less exposure and knowledge of what was going on would do to me, exactly what you’re describing above. I was spending almost three months a year there with friends and contacts in over ten states.
I'm sure some people there hold extreme views. I'm also confident some don't. Many different things will have motivated people to join. I hold my hands up I don't know much about Canadian politics. All I was driving at with my first response was it's wrong to just label everyone nutters and alt right. Moreover I'm sick of people who are agaisnt mandates and restrictions being labeled as anti vax and willing wanting people to die. It's utter nonsense and is a ridiculous stance to take.
I think that works the other way too, particularly in the US. You’ve got pretty much the entire American (Republican) right calling the Democrats ‘Marxist’, Biden a ‘neo-socialist’, and any of his supporters communists. I’m not particularly a cheerleader for Biden but fück me, the level of political tone-deafness needed to think a very centre right politician and party, who’d have much more in common with the Cameron Conservative party than they even would with a broadly centre-left party, never mind a sodding communist, is staggering. Mind you, they’re all bonkers over that side of the pond (I love the States and my experience of Americans individually is great, I just think as a state they’re even more mental than we are!)
To be fair Joe Rogan is an equal opportunities idiot. You could get a guest on saying clouds are made of candy floss and he'd swallow it
I know what you’re saying, and I’m not going to post anymore on this subject as it only ever goes one way. But I think you’re downplaying the reality of some of the policies, actions, behaviours, comments of the whole Biden team that lead to those opinions existing. Everyone says no smoke without fire until that fire is one they don’t believe exists.
I'm fully vaccinated and totally in favour of bodily autonomy and against vaccination mandates. It does nobody any favours to suggest that anyone who is against compulsory vaccination is a conspiracy nutter.
Not seen anyone call him smart. It’s more about his guests and the conversations than what he says for the majority. Close to 2,000 episodes now I think.
I'm not disputing that, but it's not really a counterargument is it? How many people watch Love Island compared to Newsnight?
I mean he never challenges his guests. When he had that Mccullough bloke on who was suggesting that VAERS reports were indicative of causation from the vaccine it should have been pointed out that either Mccollough misunderstood what VAERS actually represents (unlikely given his medical background) or that he was acting in bad faith to raise his own profile.
Pretty crazy to be downplaying someone’s intelligence this much when they’ve been smart enough to go from a security guard with a few comedy shows on the side, to a global name worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Especially someone who has regularly demonstrated the ability to listen to both sides of the debate and doesn’t really lean anywhere politically. No hand me downs. No reality TV. Hard work and a level of intelligence and foresight to see what a massive amount of people want from a podcast series.
He always challenges his guests. Fairly regularly. Don’t believe all the sound bites the media want you to hear to support the narrative around him at the moment. When he doesn’t challenge them, in my experience, it’s because he doesn’t have an opinion, knowledge or any facts to go against them. But he does probe. Nearly always. People who don’t listen to his podcast regularly think it’s an interview. It’s just a conversation. That’s why people enjoy it so much. The episodes can be three hours long chatting about all sorts of stuff.
I was saying nothing about his work ethic, just that I'd absolutely smoke him in any from of IQ or critical reasoning test and he shouldn't be relied upon as any sort of reliable or critical interviewer. Hed never get a job on Newsnight would he? Unless of course he's intelligent enough to realise that some of his guests talk absolute ******** and not challenging them and courting the conspiracy fringes is the best way to make money, in which case fair enough but he's a tw*t.
Yeah i wasn’t having a go or owt, it was more a comment on the political polarisation in the US and how a significant proportion of the American right have shifted so far to the right it’s unreal. I’m in no way a massive Biden fan, but it’d be really hard to describe him as particularly left wing (socially, maybe you could at a stretch, economically he definitely isn’t, hence the Cameron comparison). It wasn’t that long ago we could watch a Louis Theroux documentary and shake our heads at the level of crazy exhibited by those lovely chaps in the Westboro Baptist church; now you’ve got lunatics like that all over the legislature at state level, it’s frightening (as is the apparent desire of some of our political system to pander to a similar base). Appreciate I’ve gone a bit off topic but I’ve walked the dogs and the Mrs is in the bath so I’m settling down to my favourite activities of eating and posting on social media.
To be honest, reading this some could question your own intelligence. The podcast isn’t meant to be hard hitting journalism and nor is it an interview. Two things you’ve said in this thread. You’re not a fan of the podcast, or Joe Rogan, so therefore you don’t have to listen. But then don’t make comments about what it is, or what his role in his own podcast is, when you obviously don’t actually know. Bragging you’d smoke someone in an IQ test, who hasn’t claimed to be Nostradamus, is really quite funny though for a Sunday night.