Some idiot on pitch fighting with Forest players

In what way i havent really noticed this, theres a video doing the rounds on social media of a group of young ens smashing a pub up in Huddersfield taking teles off walls turning tables over. When i was there age i didnt care who was prime minister john major, tony Blair who ever. I took no intrest in politics untill i got a mortgage and family im still not very political but i never went away watching my team and behaved like that and no one could ever influence me to.

 

According to Football Away Days, this is some of our "fans" in action on Saturday.

https://fb.watch/b11zql4Tpn/

 

We've got vaccines now against many common diseases...

 

I didnt think I would need to write a response but here goes.

Politics and government create the culture and the society which we live in. When I was growing up, there was Police walking the streets, there was a significantly greater public sector workforce, like council workers, who kept our parks and play areas clean and tidy. They kept our grass verges cut and made our roads and pathways repaired. There was places for kids to go, with youth clubs and sports areas for kids to go to, like Tennis Courts and Football pitches.

Over the last 12 years, public sector investment has been demolished, so all the things above have been almost killed off. Crimes are never investigated, kids have nothing to do, and due to huge budget cuts nobody has any pride or repect for their towns and cities anymore. Loads of people have no money, because of rising inflation, 12 years of Austerity and basically the last 3 years of Boris and his absolutely abysmal leadership.

Historically when there has been a decrease in living standards and a reduction in potential opportunities for people, society falls apart. This is not just documented in the history of the UK but all around the world. When leadership fails, society
evaporates.

Politics is far more than PMQs. The way we are governed has knock on effects to how the population behaves.

Add in Brexit which polarised the country and made people feel that it was ok to use war time rhetoric about a block of countries who have been our partners and then a PM who uses racist and misogynistic language and constantly lie then of course its going to have a negative impact.

In the Thatcher years, that was the rise of huge movements against the Government, where violence erupted. The Miners strike, Football Hooliganism began, Brixton Riots etc, were all because people were fighting against the establishment. The establishment which was run by the Tories which similarly to what is happening now, is against the working people of this country.

There will be more football hooliganism coming in my humble opinion, because the masses are fed up of the shitty state we are in, in our every day lives. They don't think, ah I'll have a fight because of Boris, but they will because its a shįtty place to live at the moment and everyone is fūcked off.

 

Well said Mr Nutkins. Well said. News just coming in about Starmer having to rescued from a mob by the police backs you up.

 

Glad you did write a response it was quite a good one and i do agree with alot of it, not all though. And im not getting into a political debate on here but good post.

 

I'd love to know which bits you don't agree with, because it's absolutely spot on.

 

In my opinion it's all a fall out of Brexit and not of actually leaving but of allowing politicians to campaign using aggression and normalising hatred, bigotry and generally disgusting behaviour with people like garage, Johnson and Robinson put on pedestals and given airtime that their views did not deserve. That's been followed up by a government who has spread hatred and championed disgusting behaviour throughout.

It hasn't led people to be dickheads but it has led to them believing that they don't have to hide that behaviour.

 

I didnt want ti get into this but if you think theres nothing for kids to do in their free time your mistaken cubs, scouts, after school clubs, sports clubs football, rugby, boxing, gymanstics, running clubs. Still plenty of football fields in my local area. Infact the last playing fields near me to get turned into houses were done under a labour government and a labour local council. Granted its not like when i was young for kids. But i dont buy this something gets smashed to pieces aww it because kids have no where to go so they do it. Or a pub get smashed up in huddersfield and its young lads who are fighting the establishment because there lives so ****.

 

And how do you think the kids these days pay for all that? How do they pay for their football boots? Their gym kit? Their rugby kit? Their boxing gloves? Their running spikes? Their school meals at after school club?

They can't, because Mum and Dad have had their £20 Universal Credit top up taken away by your Tory mates. Their gas and electric have gone up astronomically only last week. People don't have a pot to piss in at the minute thanks to 12 years of government cuts. Yet Sunak has written off 4 billion quid that his mates have made a mess off. But the poorest are hit.

Thats why kids turn to vandalism, booze and drugs.

 

FFS! Nothing to do with parents not teaching their kids basic values from an early age. Instead lets all blame teachers, lack of police, Governments etc.

As for the " far right Nazi Government" get a grip!! Or would you rather live in Russia, China, including Hong Kong or any number of countries where the population are actually killed, imprisoned, and even tortured for expressing opposition to their Governments. I cant believe some on here 'liked' your ludicrous post. The current Govt may be many things (most of them worthy of justified criticism and condemnation) but calling them far right and Nazi is plain stupid.

 

What do you think it says about you when you conflate cause and effect with blame.

 

Said by Boris Johnson's number one Brexit voting fan

 

My tory mates? Why because ive countered a argument that the government are responsible for people smashing pubs up or running on the pitch attacking players?
You do realise that most gyms have spare gloves people can use and alot of clubs have boot banks where players give the boot us they have grown out of theres also ebay. And your argument that kids parents cant afford none of these so they get into booze and drugs insted is ridiculous.

 

Whilst I wouldn’t have chosen ST or some others incendiary language, this post couldn’t be more ‘wrong’ IMHO.

Firstly to ignore hundreds of years of scientific theory of ‘cause and effect’ is disastrously ignorant. Whilst it’s not as simple as ‘bad government = vandalism’. There’s volumes of evidence to show the links between deprivation and civil unrest. To ignore that is bluntly empirically wrong.

And whilst I have some sympathy for your view of our ‘caring’ society (having volunteered for years supporting underprivileged kids). The notion that ‘charity’ is the best support for our young people is positively Thatcherite.

It’s morally bankrupt to support tax breaks for millionaires and leave children of working families to rely on charity. And I appreciate you didn’t state that directly, but in not calling out the government’s behaviour here and parroting Thatcher is doing so implicitly.

And this doesn’t mean I’m in some way ‘defending’ or excusing these scrotes, but surely the grown up reaction to society’s problems is to acknowledge that we actually know how to fix them. Rather than a puerile ’blame the parents’ or ‘blame the government’ tennis match.

 

??? Is that not EXACTLY what ST did ... '"Nazi Extreme right wing Govt"?

As the follow up "Said by Boris Johnson's number one Brexit voting fan"

He is simply a WUM. Once again turning debate into personal post. I simply commented because stupid nonsensical labelling of the current Govt. His idiotic response to that post reminds me of why I decided to stay out, for the main part, of political debates on this BB,so thanks for that.
Why do you feel it necessary to rush to his defence?

 

As I’ve posted in elsewhere; I wouldn’t have chosen the same language as ST.

But having spent last evening watching the leader of HM Opposition hounded by a right wing mob with a noose, repeating a lie told by our prime minister, ST has certainly got a better handle our current ‘government’ than you have.

Btw nowt personal in my post at all. You just can’t bear being challenged.

 

When your response is to immediately look to charities and hand me downs to solve these issues then it's not worth engaging with.

You should be asking why.

Have a nice day.

 

Well that is nonsense for a start! 1 You challenged me simply because my views were different from your and not aligned to your political viewpoint. 2. You commented on my pos, specifically ignoring the fact that ST made exactly the same i.e. conflate cause and effect in extreme, nonsensical labelling and not challenging him on the very same thing. 3 I love being challenged as that is the whole point of debate. 4 If you really believe this Govt (of which I am no fan of BTW ) is really an "extreme right wing fascist Nazi" one then there is little hope of having any reasonable discussion or debate with you.

As others have pointed out the reasons behind the anti social behaviour we see has many causes and it is not a new phenomenon, Govt policies, education, poverty, family values eroding are all to blame. Attributing blame to one element is misguided.

Some on here are acolytes of 'blame everyone else' culture and part of the 'all rights but no responsibilties' brigade. Are you one of them? There are as many poor kids out there brought up to be respectful of others and their property and make the right choices to escape the poverty trap as there are those who come from more affluent backgrounds who fall by the wayside. It is about making the right choices in life and, in the early years, having parents and peers who make those right choices for them.

 

It’s a proper little persecution complex you have there.
Have a scroll and see if you can find my mention of ST’s post and me filling in some of the gaps.

But genuinely, take a breather, you’ve written hundreds of words in response to one of the shortest posts I’ve ever written anywhere. How the fc uk you can read so much into so little is breathtaking