Russia invades Ukraine

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    Just think if Trump had still been in the Whitehouse we might not have all been here now.
    The big mushroom would have risen and blown away.
    More importantly no relegation........
     
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    Given he disliked NATO and was in hock to the Russians , I doubt it
     
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    Vivid recollection as a chid of being taken to a local mental hospital where my father had been sectioned due to a severe mental illness - he didn't know where he was - didn't recognise any of his family - as a 'danger to himself' he was on 24 hour watch.
    That to me is an example of mental illness.

    Those of us with experience of mental illness either on a personal or professional level know what we're talking about - those who are 'diagnosing' Putin as being 'mentally ill' haven't a fkn clue what they're on about!
     
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    Brave man. It won't have gone unnoticed back in Russia.

     
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    Or maybe putin considers biden as a weak leak leader of the main power in the west and doing what they want.
     
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    a very sad weak for the west, and not a typo
    imagine if the world had this much red tape to cut through in the 1930's to help children & women?
    jeez, covid much seem a breeze to the Ukraine right now
     
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    ?? Nothing I said perpetuates a stereotype. What language have I used that would make people with mental health issues fear to open up? Plenty of bad or evil actions are carried out by sane people mainly for personal gain. But your second paragraph does not connect with the first one. Do you genuinely believe that a balanced individual 'i.e. sane' and rational would behave like Putin who has the power but, apparently no conscience. Do you then consider his actions those of a sane and rational balanced individual?
     
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    Pretty much the opposite of this, Trump would have got down on all fours and presented to Putin. Throughout his presidency it was clear he was **** scared of ever directly acting against him or criticising him.
     
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    Interesting thread here regarding the difficulties Russia is having. Honestly, it sounds like they're getting a bit of a kicking. Putin definitely expected to steamroller the country, possibly due to misjudging the support for the rebels. The longer this goes the weaker he looks, and it's more than evident that the US/NATO would trounce them in a conventional war. It hopefully makes Russia a less attractive ally to China long term.
     
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    Also this. Particularly the point about Sweden/Finland joining NATO. The weaker Russia looks the easier it is for them to join. One of the strongest outcomes from a western perspective is for Russia's actions to end with NATO expansion regardless.
     
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    With respect, both these views are idiotic, as Trump followed an avowedly non-interventionist foreign policy and simply wanted all NATO members to honour their spending commitments rather than expecting America to pick up their slack, while the Russia collusion hoax has long since been debunked as the democrat BS anyone with half a brain cell knew it was from the outset.
     
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    This is an equally idiotic post (though not surprising given the poster), not least as I believe the only time Trump was genuinely confronted by Putin was in Syria in 2017, when Putin was advancing Russia's interests in the vacuum and warned Trump of the usual terrible consequences should he retaliate to an alleged Syrian chemical weapons attack. Trump duly sent in the bombers/missiles, and Putin slunk off like the weasel he is with nary a word of response.
     
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    Believe me I do. My sister was bi-polar and also had mild schizophrenia and paranoia in spite of support from long suffering relative including myself and my wife, ultimately took her own life, having been sectioned on more than one occasion during her lifetime. I am also on the spectrum albeit quite low, but did have a brief period in my life of clinical depression.
    In no way am I holding up Putin as an example of all mentally ill people and therefore not a slur on mentally ill people . However, whilst the vast majority of people with mental illness are not dangerous or wish harm on others, it is fair to say, a proportion of people who attack others, have mental issues causing such things as paranoia, persecution complexes etc.
    Of course, most acts of violence are relatively spontaneous and many occur whilst someone is under the influence of alcohol or drugs . In no way is mental illness a cause of all but a tiny proportion of domestic violence or violence aimed at women. Most violent acts are committed for personal gain by robbery, gang warfare drugdealers, loan sharks etc.

    Putin's actions due to his elevated position put them on a whole different level. The man has displayed paranoia in his constant fear of NATO expansion and Western ideology. He justifies his brutal subjugation of the population and elimination of opposition as patriotic and his actions go way beyond the actions of a sane man who is simply intent on self enrichment. Anyone who sends his fellow countrymen to their deaths in thousands when they were not directly threatened and has also intimated he would be prepared to initiate the first strike -nuclear- (no I do not believe it is a 'bluff') is not behaving rationally. It is not teh same as someone losing their temper in a bat for example and lashing out. These are planned, premeditated actions from the mind of someone lacking conscience, compassion and rational thinking. How else can you explain his decison to wage war on a Sovereign country who were no threat (other than in his head)?

    I am sorry of you feel the way you do, and, obviously (and rightly) are protective of your grandson, but to say that Putin's actions are from a sane man is, as I have already stated, highly questionable IMO.

    I hope your grandson, receives the care he needs and is able to enjoy as near normal a life as possible in the circumstances.
     
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    I specifically said I'd no idea if Putin was mentally ill or not. I didn't present Putin in the same bracket as your Gradson, indeed I asked why anyone would bother to do so as it's entirely irrelevant. As such l'll keep my own family's history of mental illness out of the discussion. Best wishes.
     
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    Ukrainian historian Yuriy Korchemniy has never fired an assault rifle in his life. But he joined scores of others and picked up a Kalashnikov when boxes of them were dumped from trucks and handed out to Ukraine’s new volunteer defence units on day two of Russia’s invasion.

    ‘They gave out the rifles, loaded them for us and here we are,’ the 35-year-old said with a slightly sheepish grin.

    ‘I only know how to shoot single rounds, so my plan is to click this here and switch off the automatic mode.’

    The Kyiv bridge underpass he was guarding with a handful of other men - some in their 50s - leads to Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s administrative complex. The reverse side of the road runs through a working-class district of Soviet-style tower blocks that witnessed a deadly shootout with a small group of Russian forces only a few hours earlier.

    An AFP team saw a middle-aged civilian who was killed in the clash carried away by ambulance workers. One witness said the civilian was cut down by bullets fired by the Russians from a speeding armoured vehicle.
     
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    I've seen this opinion has been expressed elsewhere. There was a military expert on the radio saying similar, and he and his colleagues found this invasion crazy as even with a traditional military victory holding a country the size of France with 250k men was just not possible, without accounting for the fact that there'd then be an civilian resistance, or soldiers who just take off their uniforms and join them. Fortunately or unfortunately, I'd imagine small arms are being ploughed into Ukraine as we speak by NATO and there's a risk that this could be a drawn out affair.
     
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    A phone camera, recording a phone camera, showing a video recording of their apartment security camera recording a Russian missile strike. Bizarre and sad times.

     
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