Can’t see this anywhere. Barnsley report Reading to EFL?

Am I happy to see us relegated? No I am not, it hurts to see us fall so far from last season. But we have the joint lowest number of wins in the league (half of the next worst team) and we have scored the joint lowest goals the league. We have lost 21 games so far too. Due to this I can accept us going down as frankly we have not been good enough to stay in the league. Peterborough who are the only team below us currently have yet to resort to these levels of reporting other clubs either.

Those clubs overspending hasn't put us where we are. Our own terrible performances have. We finished 5th in this league last season while Derby/Reading were doing their so called reckless spending and we didn't report a single club then. Now we are having a stinker of a season they want to shout about it.

 

You lost me with the last sentence. If we were winning 5 out of our last six in the Premier League I'd be c ock a hoot.

 

I don't think we're doing it merely to save us from relegation though. These clubs do need to be held accountable, and our own poor season doesn't change that.

I'm fairly certain we did attempt to take action against Derby last season. I believe it was towards the start of the season, shortly after our dealings with both Wigan and Hull were concluded. I can't say for certain though, but I'm sure it's something we've been acting on for several seasons. I seem to recall that Wycombe reported both Derby and Sheffield Wednesday for something similar last season, and we released a statemement saying we would show support if they decided to take legal action?

 

It's when you fart and 5hit yourself.

 

We might not be doing it to save us from relegation and we will never know for sure as Conway and Co will never fully admit it. But you must admit that it does look that way given the timing? Reading's FFP issues haven't just occurred over night, this is something that has been ongoing for a long time and to do it now to me screams of desperation.

 

I get you're argument. However, I still think we can avoid the drop. We were always going to chuck another crap performance in. Just a shame it was against Derby. I might be wrong but I think Saturday's result has tainted your judgement. There's still another 12 games left. 7 wins might do it.

 

I am not happy for them to be unpunished. But we should not be the ones calling them out just because we are so bad. You say you want us to call them out now, but are happy for us not to when we are doing well so we don't waste money etc. you can't have it both ways. It should be down to the EFL and the EFL alone to call them out and punish them accordingly, not clubs who are having a dreadful season to call them out in the hope it saves their skin.

If you are adamant that we do this then it shouldn't matter where we are in league we should do it regardless of if we are 1st, 5th, 16th or bottom. We should also do this with the backing of other clubs who feel the same way, not just us and us alone.

 

Its not just Saturday's result that has tainted it. It's the other 20 odd games before the mini revival mixed in with Saturday's game too.

 

Regardless of our league position, the club are right to ask the questions.

Every one of us questions how Reading and Derby manage to keep going and also manage to sign players who are clearly on decent money and that the EFL seems to ignore it year-on-year.

It’s about time clubs speak up and ask the questions - just need more to do the same, for the sake of football in this country and also for the fans of these clubs affected. For all the hate that goes on, I do hope Reading and Derby fans still have clubs to go and watch at some level, but they have to acknowledge the current wrongdoing……

 

I just found it amusing when you said we were the only club to complain when it suited us, then immediately named another club that did the same.

But also, you can’t take any legal action when you’re not affected, because there are no damages to claim back.

 

The EFL will distance themselves. It's the clubs in question you need to challenge legally. I know it's kicking someone whilst their down but who cares?

 

Reading have to be the ultimate basket case of a club.

Last four years total losses £130m!!! Salary costs 233% of turnover (£13.8m).

The club has £100m of debt and the owners have put in £90m of equity.

Why would anyone carry on funding such a disaster? I think the letter to the EFL from Khaled will be the least of their worries.

 

I doubt it would go that far but I wouldn't lose any sleep over them. They're probably deliberately playing the system. Another club allegedly owned by billionaires. They just find someone else from their "top table" who fancies servicing some debt for a few years.

Does this money actually exist?

 

I was making the point that you were fine with us not if we are doing well as it won't impact us but now we are directly affected we must do it. I just don't think we can have it both ways. I totally agree with you in terms of the fact that these clubs that breach FFP rules should face the music and be punished. I also would love the see the EFL take a much firmer stance on this and put in better and stricter rules. What I really don't like though as I have said many times now in my replies, is that we seem to be doing it now just to save our skin rather than because we care. The owners and board may be passionate about this matter but the timing of this just lends itself to being an act of desperation rather than them doing this through genuine care.

I am not suggesting it is our first mention. I have mentioned the Wigan stuff in previous posts etc. I know it's not the first time and we have spoken out about this numerous times in press conferences etc. I just hate we are doing this now as what seems to be a way of getting ourselves out of a mess. I am sure it would be hard to get loads on board, and you have hit the nail on the head in regards to get others to join as so many also break the rules. This is why we need the EFL to step up and sort out their guidelines and take action on these.

First and foremost, we need to focus on us and how we play and operate as we and other clubs like Luton have shown that you can be great in this league on a small budget despite the overspending. Clubs have breached rules in this league for years and found loop holes etc. and we have found a way to compete before and we proved last season we can in the current climate. I just can't get on board with us running to the EFL now given the timing etc. If it was before a ball was kicked this season, yeah I would get it but given where we are it just feels like desperation more than anything.

 

Probably been said many times but it's amazing how this didn't matter to our owners last season when we were 5th and only matters now we're in danger of relegation due, almost entirely, to their incompetence.

 

All that money has been used to fund the accumulated losses of £175m. This is real money from the owners that has been used to keep the club afloat.

 

What action would we have been considering last year though? This letter written now, is effectively saying that if we go down and Reading start next season with minus points due to any infringements this season, we'll follow the actions of Wycombe.

Lots of posts on this thread asking why we don't claim for losses when no losses occurred.

Derby have said similar to us on the subject as well.