Last summer's transfer window

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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Recruitment was extremely poor this Summer. We didn’t have a permanent CEO, lacked a settled coaching team from the get go, and had other behind the scenes challenges.

    Those won’t exist next season so you’ve got to hope that regardless of what division we’re in we can have a much better go at being prepared. When a team gets relegated you nearly always expect 3/4 players to move on. If/When that happens at Oakwell it won’t be unique to us at all and won’t be a sign of any kind of ownership strategy, it’s just football.

    With or without Poya in charge we’ll still have a budget to be competitive in League One. Providing any decisions on the coaching front are made early and recruitment is nothing like the Summer and more like the last two January ones.
     
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    Agree with much of this but 4 of our best players are loans and I would definitely expect 5 to move on so losing 9 first team players plus Woodrow (depends on how quickly he gets fit) will be difficult for us to manage. Seems more akin to when Wilson found himself 3 weeks before L1 season with 5 established first season and I would expect that rather than a Stendel type charge to the top.
     
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    As the kids say you do you. I think the sour taste is that 750 000 taken from club funds. With another 2.75 million still owing. That's an awful lot of season ticket money
    I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I had a long time where I couldn't have a season ticket and I've enjoyed having one again for Oakwell on the whole, gutted to miss out actually being there last season. We have folk working at the club who care passionately about it and so far CEOs that recognise that and don't mess around with it. But I do think our current owners couldn't care less about us as a club and if it benefitted them to go into administration wouldn't think twice. And we drop to league 1 and the money situation gets worse.
     
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    The wage bill in the championship to May 2021 was £14.3m.

    The last time in the first division, a successful campaign, revenue was £7.8m. Last time round the club had £5m on balance sheet and no debt and lost £3.4m despite making £1.4m on player sales.

    If the club are relegated this time round the picture is a whole lot worse. The cash on balance sheet looks ok at £3.5m but every penny of that is to be repaid to the EFL over the next two years. So there’s no cash to spend. This year there have been no significant player sales. Unless players are moved on this years results are going to look very similar. The benefit of crowds being back more than offset by the loss of grant income. So that infers a loss of around £4m again for the current season.

    In the short term, cash on balance sheet can plug the majority of this year’s operating loses but that leaves the club in financial dire straits.

    If relegation occurs then the revenue falls to around £8m. No cash and debts of £3.6m and an expected operating loss of another £5m. This excludes the £2.75m Khaled claims is also to come from the club.

    To remain trading the club is going to need around £8-10m new capital in the next twelve months. The current owners are in for £7.3m does anyone think they have the appetite to double down on BFC?

    That is the mess the club is in. Some of this external factors but some through poor management.
     
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  5. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I could see Kane and Aitchison being important players for us next season, so that’s two coming back in to the squad as well don’t forget. Obviously you could say that you expect Kane to be sold, but we’ve no idea.

    As poor as Benson has been I don’t think our environment under Schopp, created by the disastrous Summer, was a welcoming one for new players. I’m concerned at how slow he appears, but I think there’s a fresh start for him and a couple of others that could see them perform far beyond our expectations (as they are today) next season.

    It’s difficult when you’ve had a terrible season to see any glimmer of hope. But my own opinion is we’re being guilty of being extreme towards the negative viewpoint and over egging the quality of League One.

    The same folk crying we might see Morris leave were also crying that we signed him in the first place. That could be the same with 3/4 new signings next year as well, as is the unpredictability of the transfer market and our limited knowledge of it as supporters (despite how much we all think we know).
     
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    We could not guarantee Sollbauer football, and at his age, he needed to play. Although Sollbauer was experienced, he was also slow. That was the reason he was not getting games. The manager at the time had wanted to play a high line, and that does not mix with slow defenders.
     
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    Appreciate its good to be positive in dark times but the only ones that started yesterday that I can see playing for us in L1 are Wolfe and possibly Brittain. It will be a massive rebuilding task. I’m not saying we can’t do it but i would expect a bumpy next season with a bottom half finish and then a push the following season
     
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    We have sufficient quality now with the loans we have. Take those away and add the likely sales of Helik, Anderson, Styles, Woodrow and Morris and there’s a frightening lack of quality.
    Recruiting on the back of likely 6k season tickets sold and it’s hard to put a case for us being very competitive even in L1.
     
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    I could see a squad that starts with Collins, Walton, Brittain, Vita, Moon, Kitching, Wolfe, Benson, Kane, Hondermarck, Williams, Aitchinson…..and I’m probably missing a couple there. The ones you’d expect to leave are Madds, Helik, Morris, Styles and Woodrow and the loan players - I think Vita could end up staying.

    It’s not about being positive in the dark times but not being overly negative about the future either. If you supplement the above with the right environment, three or four new signings, and the likes of Marsh, Ackroyd and Winfield have breakthrough seasons, it isn’t a bottom of League One squad.

    As poor as it’s been some of the players that stick around will be better for this experience and let’s not pretend that the pace and quality of the Championship isn’t vastly different to that of League One. I wouldn’t even be surprised if there was a curve ball and one of the five mentioned above ended up staying too. Morris would be my bet.
     
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    Yeah it's a piece of piss league 1. Just ask Sunderland, Portsmouth, Charlton, Ipswich etc...
     
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    Sunderland still.have some of their Premier team like Gooch and Mcgeady too for the 4 seasons they've been down there!
     
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    We will have to see. Even in your best case scenario I don’t see who scores or creates any goals.

    Compare that team to the one we came up with last time that had goals all over the pitch.

    I’d say the team you put up is bottom 6 L1. Of course a couple of additions that could change.
     
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    It’s my view that there is optimistic thinking then there’s we lose 9 out of the 11 who started yesterday and will be fine. I just don’t see it.
     
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    The 3/4 signings we would make as a minimum?

    Opinions obviously, but if you looked at some of the Starting XI’s yesterday in League One I don’t see where you get bottom six from. Just comes across as an overly negative view based on what has been an almost universally negative season.

    We would still have a top eight League One budget next season. We’ll be attracting a decent quality of player for that level. The environment we create will dictate any success though.
     
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    Budgets mean little ask Sunderland. Continuity means everything ask Rotherham

    We will of course sign we some players given we are likely to lose 9 fist team players plus Palmer and Woodrow. Whether they will add any value we will see.

    Teams tend to come back up if they keep their better players and have goals in them. In your best case scenario we have a total of 0 goals scored for us by those players
     
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    Walton
    Williams Moon Kitching
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    Benson Wolfe Aitchinson
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    Lots of assumptions there but even not allowing for Collins and Kane to stay, that starting XI is not bottom six of League One. It might feel it based on what we’ve witnessed, but League One outside of the top teams isn’t as good a level as some are making out.
     
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    Couple of questions..
    what we are forgetting is last season was deemed a failure because we didn't have one offer for any of our so called better players which meant no sales...
    Will this season then be deemed a success when at least 4 no doubt will be sold....

    I wonder if a certain someone is now taking the threat of relegation seriously or at least looking...

    Further has anybody else noted the deafening silence from Paul Conway these days
    ...Its not like him to keep his egotistical views to himself....I wonder if he's had his Gob ( mouth Paul if you or your daughter is reading this ) sewn shut
    Remember they've not taken a penny out of the club....
    How much more wool needs to be pulled over some folks eyes before they see the light .
     
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    Morris as got his admirers aswell with his recent performances. Chris Wilder was purring over him in our recent game. Not be able to keep him if we drop.
     
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    Not a chance Kane will be here next season
     
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    Anybody thinking we’ll keep the majority of the squad in League 1 are living in cuckoo land. We will be lumbered with the not good enough crew, amongst new players who will no doubt be lower league & foreign gambles. I expect a high turnover of players and we will do well to finish in the top half, especially if Poya remains.
     
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