OT EVs (I know it is done to death but coming from another angle).....

Fair enough time will tell!

 

Can add 1000 km range to my Yeti in less than 2 minutes at a pump

 

Fine if you have the money ... Contract hire for the nearest full electric Skoda equivalent to my Yeti with extras (Skoda Enyaq 80) is well over £500 pm on a limit of 5k mile per year and minimum 6 month up front. Obviously this increases with higher mileage limits. So £18k in 3 years and nothing to show for it!! Like renting a house and paying more than a mortgage. Buying outright (even if you can afford over £35k is risky though as how many people will lump for a 2nd or 3rd hand EV knowing after a few more years the batteries will need replacing at around £10k.

 

Each to their own but I'd rather eat my own liver . I found it cringeworthy when I first saw it (on TOTP I think) Something young kids bought for their grannies I suspect.

 

Maybe it’s just me but I wouldn’t want to be hanging out in a McDonalds car park for 40mins to charge my car. Especially when you can’t guarantee they’ll be empty before you set off. I know the answer to that is ‘don’t use it then’ but then the savings of doing so have to be discounted so that gets rid of the cost benefit and I’d still be stuck with the higher purchase price.

 

I bought a Tesla nearly 3 years ago. The tax benefits are significant. I got to write off the full purchase price against my tax bill and £35k interest free from the Scottish Government.

It is very cheap to run. Home charging point means it’s about 20p a kw or about 7p a mile. If you live with the fact that the range is about two thirds what you think it will be then it’s fine. Tesla’s charging network is easy and quick to use.

Maybe not for everyone but mine has been easy to live with and it does go pretty quick when you want it to.

 

True if you had to make a trip and sit there whilst it charges, but it's just a change of mindset re refuelling. Do it whilst u do summat else. Personally, I work next door to a MacD and my company are putting public and staff chargers into new builds and retro fitting them into the older estate. So yes the car will be more expensive, but no road tax and no fuel costs will more than offset that currently.

 

Got a BMW M50 coming end of April, as a company car it’s a massive saving, both for personal tax and the fact there’s a charging point at work, so free motoring too. would I go full electric if it wasn’t for the tax break - probably not yet.

 

Glad you're happy with it, they do look great I have to admit. If you don't mind me asking, which model did you go for? Hope they manage to get a cheaper car out some time soon.

 

Got an ECQ Merc. Not the best in terms of range but thats OK as i work in a global org so airport is more frequent than national. I really like it and financially a big benefit for me. Also we are title sponsors of the Formula-E series so have to fly the flag too ;-)

 

Aren't you trying here though to compare the financing of a new EV against the cost of running a car you already own outright and therefore only have the on going running costs to consider?. Of course that is never going to work.

What will work though for a lot of people is the comparison of going out and financing a new ICE car, plus the petrol costs, compared to financing a new EV, especially when you can minimise the charging cost by charging at home. That's when it will work.

 

Can add 120 miles of range to my car in 20 seconds. I get home, plug it in (10 seconds) and go watch telly and go to bed. I get up, unplug it (10 seconds) and off I go.
Haven't set foot in a smelly petrol station in 18 months.

 

In my mind, PHEVs are the worst option. For many people, they are the most inefficient choice because after using up the tiny electric range, you are running a petrol AND lugging around a battery for no good reason to boot, hence the less than impressive efficiency. I don't understand why they are not being phased out with petrol engines in 2030, and have another 5 years beyond that. For many people, it will mean that they will get a PHEV, with no intention of charging it, just because they can't get a petrol any more, and in effect, it will just be a petrol engine car.

I wouldn't want the added complexity of having all the ICE technology in there, plus the electric powertrain, and the technology to switch between the two. Sounds like an expensive headache when it goes wrong.

And don't get me started on "Self Charging Hybrids". A marketing con trick if ever I have seen one.

 

The same applies to any vehicle, EV or ICE. The most environmentally friendly car is the one that has already been built. But everyone keeping their cars forever is not viable, so taking that as given, it is more environmentally friendly to replace an out going car at the end of its life with an EV being added to the car pool than another new ICE. The EV has a higher initial CO2 outlay due to the added production impact of its battery, but study after study has shown that, depending on where the car will be used and what the energy mix is in that country, the CO2 pay back of the added production impact will be complete within 30k - 60k miles. Given that an average car will do many many more miles than that over its lifetime, it will ultimately be much more environmentally friendly.

 

Who's talking about scrapping perfectly good useable vehicles?. Not here there are not. We are just talking about stopping the sale of new ones in 2030. There will still be petrol cars on the road for many years after that, bought before 2030.

And in terms of recyling issues, you better have a word with these people then - I am sure they must have missed something.

Sustainability | Tesla

 

But the average car battery will have significantly lost performance and range long before that. Nissan warranty for example allows the car to lose 25% of its range without being considered as having lost performance.