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  1. granty the red

    granty the red Well-Known Member

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    Just been, and sorry to say it’s absolutely shocking. Not 1 seat out for anybody that may need a seat to sit, not even a place to put your drink down apart from floor. Must do better.
     
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    granty the red Well-Known Member

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    I know it’s all for a good cause too but some people will find it hard to stay there while it’s set out like that.
     
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    Had a pint in the fan zone and the complementary Frost bite. No bloody food! So headed for the burger stand at bottom of the car park :(:(
     
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    It’s pointless, only holds a limited amount despite being outside, plus you can’t count on the weather. The indoor one was better for that, but that still limited numbers so there was always a mile long queue.

    Better than nothing I guess, but it’s one of the many things that need addressing in terms of matchday experience.

    Noticed some work has been done on the old brewery site, maybe something is going off there?
     
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    Had to put my pint on a bin....
     
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    I've had a pint there stood up in my big coat - enjoyed the atmosphere, and well done to the volunteers who've given it a go today. Yes, it's freezing - but surely there's such a thing as a weather forecast where you can check and then dress accordingly?

    I went in the Mount for half an hour too, and that was boiling. But I took my coat off.
     
  7. Loko the Tyke

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    I mean, solely judging on how many people were there and enjoying it, I’d say you’re way off here. It’s also a 400 capacity and was probably only maxed out for the peak 20 minutes so I don’t know why you’re mentioning that.

    What’s pointless is a Head Coach that can’t see a team desperate for changes to be made, to avoid the inevitable equaliser. Not somewhere that just served about 600 drinks and kept queues right down.
     
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    Was it physically smaller today than it used to be or was my memory playing tricks on me? It looked rammed when I walked past so I wouldn't describe it as pointless
     
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    Can’t knock for one second the people trying to make this work but it’s a thankless almost impossible task. We need a dedicated indoor space.
     
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    Poor to not have seating. Standing in the cold doesn't sound appealing.
     
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    I think everyone would love that. But we’re not the only ones trying to make outdoors work because there’s no indoor facility outside of some corporate spaces.

    I think anything that comes our way in the next 2-3 years will still have a heavy focus on outdoors because it’s the easiest way to utilise space and get the most people included. Setting up to cater for a 400 capacity and around 700 in total, isn’t cheap or easy. The old indoors place was set to 150 as a limit and was a fairly big space when you took storage and toilets in to account - and that left us with virtually nothing for a bar setup.

    Even going down the container style route I think you need upwards of £100k to get it to supporter expectation based on how popular it would be.
     
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    Ffs a million and one other things to complain about today. Stick layers on. Stand up for 45 mins. Chill out. Have a couple of pints and enjoy mingling. Was there 1410-1440 and loved it. Hats off to the organisers. Long may it continue.....
     
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    genuine Question why can’t you run in in the ESL. I can’t see an outdoor winter on L1 snapping your hands off.

    in terms of containers I’m sure there are people on here who could help the supply of those. I stick em on building sites all over the country depends what you are looking for but someone like Elliot’s could do one. Sunbelt are massive round here we use them a lot I’m sure with discussions in the right ears it’s achievable.
     
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    It’s alright we have owners now that want to improve the match day experience. Not sure when they intend to improve it though.
     
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    ESL concourse would be great. Issue you’ve got there is figuring out how you let people in/out without them entering the stand, checking matchday tickets, and allowing those who want to come in without using the ‘FanZone’ do so.

    I think there’s fire and safety aspects to that too as you’d be essentially losing exits and entrances and changing the flow of people traffic. Looks an easy one as an outsider but figuring that out would be a big job and would likely put an extra strain on security at a time where we haven’t got that completely nailed yet in the current climate.

    For container bars you still need to figure out where they go. Licensing/Council need to approve any permanent structure on the ground of Oakwell that serves alcohol, and local residents could also veto it too. Then you’ve got your electrics, your heating, your cellar, and how many you’d need to cater for 400 people.

    It can be done. But it needs to be a priority amongst all the other things that need doing at the football club, and there needs to be budget to do it. Unlikely given the white flag waved yesterday and the impending relegation.
     
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    Take the points. Could people not be issued wristbands etc if they were going to the Fanzone then on into other parts of the ground?

    Take the point about financing but I would have thought that at the same time maximising income would be key if we go down and some outlay may be worthwhile obviously it would need a proper business case making.
     
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    Wristbands could be one solution but you’d still need to figure out the flow of the people traffic given there’s so many different ways to enter the ESL, and how do you operate turnstiles in to an area that suddenly starts hosting 400 people who might be sat in other areas of the ground? It’s not impossible, but I’m guessing it would throw out all current fire and safety regs amongst other challenges.

    On financing I think you need to be realistic about how much money these places take. It’s a busy pub that opens for three hours, around 23 times a year, and out of those times three hours is sometimes cut short due to midweek games and lunchtime kick offs. If you laid down £100k it would need to be a five year plan to return you back to net zero on investment, in my opinion.
     
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    A lot of clubs ,especially in both Rugby codes use the large Marquee style tents for Fan zones. This might alleviate the concerns over the cold and rain. Obviously there is a cost element to everything, plus there maybe Planning issues,as there are houses nearby.
    Forgive my ignorance, does the club play a part in the running and funding of the Fanzone too?
    It's still in its infancy really at Barnsley, perhaps supporters could research what happens at other grounds,including Rugby,to see what works, costs etc and feed back to the Trust.
    My own feeling is that the Fanzone is somewhere that everyone feels welcome and safe,irrespective of the club they support, age,gender,abilities.
     
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    A lot of stadiums have a marquee structure but in 90% of those cases it’s put up once and left up. So is a permanent structure and will have gone through the licensing process. To do that temporarily for each home game would render you as loss making every time you open, once you consider staffing costs, etc.

    Remember that we’re volunteers on our half of the FanZone so you’ve got no staffing costs for what we serve from our part. That would be another dent in the profits if the five of us took £10 an hour from 9am, 10am, 11am as the different times we arrived, plus the work that goes in to it during the week as well.

    The club paid for the jumbrellas that are fixed in to the ground, they paid for electrics to be out there, they have the stage used for the entertainment, and then arrange all the entertainment, security, special guests, etc. So they are heavily involved and have invested. They also use the grounds staff to set it up each game and the barriers used are all from the club. They’ll be other things they’ve paid for that I’m not aware of, plus their support promoting it as well.

    BFCST (or essentially supporters that visited Redfearn’s Bar when it was inside) helped contribute towards the van conversion, all the tables and seating that are normally used, the giant pop up gazebos you might have seen before, and then other bits and bobs to help everything run as it should. Acorn Brewery loan us cask ale equipment and BrewDog paid for the whole kit out of the van to be able to dispense beer.

    Our FanZone is no different to dozens of others I’ve seen. You’ll never cater for everyone, or have a solution that suits everyone, but if you can be offering something for the numbers that came yesterday then it’s world’s apart from anything from 1995 to 2015.
     
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    Thank you Ben,that's really informative and hope it helps others too. Apologies to you and anyone else who may have thought my post was critical of anyone or the Trust. It's the first time I've seen posts critical of the Fanzone, so thought that rather it turn into a negative thread, rather encourage people to have positive ideas and suggestions.
    No offence meant to anyone.
     

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