Barnsley FC - What went wrong?

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  1. Red

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    Conway did not do a good job, but being the CEO of a football club is not his job, is it.
     
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    Maybe he could have ensured he didn't have to do it then by noting when Dane's contract was up!
     
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    What Keith Lodge meant by symbiotic relationship is that the football club gave the Barnsley Chronicle the news that filled the back page and sold the paper. If there was no football news, the readership of the Chronicle fell. The Chronicle used to sell 40,000 copies every week. Now it sells about 10,000 copies per week. The reason is that its reader now get their information and news from the internet, and there is no longer a need to buy the Chronicle. The internet is the reason there is less advertising as well.
     
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    Luton has a budget only just less than ours. They are doing better than we are this season, but how long will that last?
     
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    Can I reccommend that you read our 2020/21 Accounts.
     
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    No, but having decided to take on the role temporarily himself it is difficult to absolve him of responsibility for the problems which followed. The money saved by not throwing more at the problem has proved to be a (costly) false economy. That was a judgement call.
     
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    Stuck with their coach who'd done well with Leeds u23s and it's now paying off.
     
  8. Farnham_Red

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    Probably as long as they keep Nathan Jones
    He transformed the club left and they started going backwards returned and they are out performing again.

    The fact is most of what Doug says is true
    We should not have gone so far backwards in one summer. Losing the ceo manager and almost all the back room staff in one go is a failure of management not a sign of lack of budget
     
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    Ignore that, I'd muddled Huddersfield and Luton for some reason! Answer for Luton as @Farnham_Red post!
     
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    Yeah we played in the right areas and earned the right to get it down and play the good football our hard work deserved. It wasn't pretty all the time. However, show me a team other than Man City where it is. I think we played like Liverpool last season.
     
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    he thought it was at the time.

    You make some good points. However we all know that to stay in this division we need to give 110% to everything we do and get most of our decisions right. Thats why we competed last year. We showed innovation playing a style that wasn't popular to get the best from our players. We strengthened to support that style. People say it was a one off. Clearly we made it a one off as the club shifted back to a plan that hasn't worked well or has relied more on luck. We have failed in almost everything we have set out to do and in some cases never even started ‘to do’. I dont think frustration is down to finding it hard to compete and not having any money. Its more down to how we apply what we have and that is my dissolution. I dont believe we have applied anywhere near what we could have.
     
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    What Luton have done is kept a club legend and influencer in the management squad .
    Mick Hartford is a massive influence in the players .
    And I would imagine if any of them don’t give their all for the badge he gives them something to think about something we’re sadly lacking imo and some players performance a lately bears ths out as far as I’m concerned as theirs more than a few wanted a rocket up their arses this season .
     
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    He had options available to him that didn't involve him doing something he was incapable of. An interim CEO isn't unheard of
     
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    Thanks. I worked out what symbiotic meant at the time. For what it’s worth, I carried on buying the paper until they put Farage on the front in the run up to the last election. Big drawback being that I don’t get to see who has died!
     
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    I do wonder why anyone would question why we lose head coaches when we put a release clause in their contract, and consider them as trade-able as players.
     
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    We didn’t have one on the CEO or all the back room staff though did we.
     
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    You can RR ....I guess the point im trying to make is that management begins from the front.
    Conway had the position thrust upon him (which he sucked big time at btw) but he failed in his position to recruit staff efficiently.
    Even if the mass exodus was due to wages etc....there should have been something in place (failure to prepare and all that). Our physio leaving for huddersfield was both confusing and worrying for me....after everyone else. When there is a high turnover of staff like we had and in any other business you have to question the structure to operate....I still don't accept we were properly set up to deal with anything and its yet another question mark I have with our owners.
    I can remember a chat we had a while ago where you wished for me to look at their long term goals and I replied from what I saw of their structure, despite their rhetoric, I thought it would never last as their short term goal was to sell assets and fast.
    This was never going to be a long term programme and certainly not for us fans.
     
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    Perhaps they haven't thought of that. Yet.
     
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    Just watching Huddersfield taking 'Boro apart.
     
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    That’s what I wondered tbh , when they first came they said they would have all positions covered , playing Staff, Coaching, Management etc and if someone leaves a replacement is quickly identified and installed .
    I’m wondering if the ownership dispute had had an effect on this regards spread sheet and monitoring of all positions or just that the system had failed .
    Ps
    I know Brexit has played a large part
     

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