My view on Colin

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    When we were replacing Schopp he was my #1 choice, not that I expected it to happen. I firmly believe he would have kept us up.

    I'm less convinced that this is the right time to appoint him. Under our system, without huge influence on the transfer policy, he'd be less effective, and I think he's more suited to a relegation battle in the Championship than a promotion chase in League One.

    At this stage, he would be a short-term appointment. Turning around a season that has gone off-track would have been perfect for him, and we missed the boat on that. Given that he's announced his retirement, I'm not sure a full season slog in League One is the right challenge for him.
     
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    Colin is taking the job because their lass has told him to, so he's not in her hair
     
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    If we're realistically contemplating a promotion challenge next season I'd be surprised. I'm not sure anyone is an outstanding pick in that instance including Warnock. I reckon we need a lot of luck and good judgement to go up.
    If we're facing another battle at the other end I'd lean towards Warnock assuming he was told his brief was to stabilise us and see us through a sticky patch. In short I wouldn't back him to get us promoted but I'd back him to keep us up.
     
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    Last season after Schopp 100% and I’m sure we would still be in the Championship. For a promotion push in L1 I’m not convinced.
     
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    He can lift the spirits of our club from one of its lowest periods last season.

    Its obvious that the majority of fans wont accept or go to the games unless we are challenging at the top so we may as well talk promotion up next season.
     
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    I just don't think Warnock gives you more chance of that than Duff. In my limited opinion. And if it doesn't work and he's allowed to sign players that don't follow a long term plan, then we'll arguably be even further behind than we are already. The new board should stick to their guns and appoint someone they believe in for the long term that's aligned to their strategy - if that ends up being Colin then great, but I don't think it is.

    For some supporters getting Warnock will bring them back, but they'd then move on to him not being allowed to splash budget on over the hill players who represent a genuine risk to performance. If the last six months have told us anything it's that winning football matches is paramount to appeasing the majority of supporters. Conway out, still unhappy, cash injection, still unhappy, state they want to flex the model with experience, still unhappy. Top six by 30th November and playing decent football. Half Season Ticket for Christmas.
     
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    Reminds me of when we appointed wilson... id try get duff and look long term but what do i know.
     
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    Prefer it not be Warnock. We need a decent style of play and a plan. I can remember when most fans were proud of the fact that the Reds were (for the most part) a club built on good football.
     
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    Think almost 7000 have renewed which is the majority of seasons sts . So really it’s the minority that’s not going to games as we can’t judge the pay on the day crowd .
    Maybe a good appointment nay boost the st sales but it’s not necessary got to be Warnock imo.
    JFH or Duff would be a great long term investment for me hopefully without hanging a must win promo first time or else scenario on them but that’s not to say they couldn’t.
     
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    Personally unconvinced with anything considered ‘long term’. Every reason to believe that if our next manager does well, he’ll leave for a bigger club at the first opportunity.
     
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    not really a great look for a fan rep to trivialise the feelings of a significant number of the fanbase…as far as I remember only you thought the start and end of the clubs problems were Conway.
     
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    He’s right about us winning though, isn’t he? If we are in with a shout three months in then half the folk unhappy will not give a monkeys about off the field activities.
     
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    Mate - your efforts to bring me down are becoming more tiring by the day. Is it a significant number of the fan base? Given that we’ve sold the same number of season tickets as last time in League One? Or is it the loudest who are on repeat?

    I’ve had far, far worse unfairly thrown at me in the last six months than simply suggesting when something a supporter wants, they get, that evolves in to them wanting something else.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Jun 3, 2022
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    True but How many seasons do you think warnock would sign for he has retired once so i cant see him been here more than one season.
     
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    I am a bit puzzled by this. This is an internet discussion board and Loko has expressed his view. You may not agree with him. I often don’t but to imply he is disrespecting other fans and is a bit strange and I don’t see any relevance to the fact he is involved with the supporters trust

    I also don’t think he has ever said the sole problem was Conway. For sure he said the biggest problem was Conway but only an idiot would claim it was the sole problem.
    In any case he probably right. I’m sure there are some fans that would renew if we make a marquee Manager signing like Colin and would accept that we have no money to spend and not be too upset if we are mid table at Xmas but for sure some would be complaining that there was no backing from the board to sign the players he needs, or worse if we are still selling in January
    Same goes for some of the 7000 who already bought. What’s the problem with him saying that?
     
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    Not sure I see the need for this thread. There was already one on Warnock and Ramsay.

    Contrast with the beginnings of a pro-Warnock thread which has been merged at warp speed into said original Warnock and Ramsay thread.
     
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    Last four or five haven't lasted too long and we're in the ****, I'd take someone short term that can at least steady the ship
     
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    I'm sure Warnock's over the hill signings will all be on very short contracts rather than our current up and coming investment players on 4 yr contracts that we scramble to loan out every season to limit losses.
    Maybe we just need to give Neil a tad more respect as a good short term option ? Absolutely no guarantees that Duff will do well or sign better players.
     
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    Luckily for Boro Wilder took over and sailed them off into the promotion sunset :D
    I think it's a big overstatement to say that we expect Warnock to get us promotion. We just need someone to get us the best deals when we sell to balance the books and hopefully make us competitive next season and I don't see why Warnock can't do that. Certainly no need to discredit him.
     
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    No guarantees with anything in football, you’re right. But there’s no disrespect by suggesting he isn’t maybe the right long term option. You’ve just said it yourself, no?

    Those same four year contracts were being criticised the opposite way round for the likes of Winnall, Hourihane and Pinnock though.
     
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