Halifax Bank

They have had better weeks. Losing customers because of virtue signalling. If they care so much they should concentrate on closing the gender pay gap and offering better services such as interest rate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rs-exodus-customers-staff-pronoun-policy.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/halifax-tells-customers-who-dont-27367143

 

Imagine being so pathetic that you close your bank account over something that doesn't really affect you but may be important to others

 

So people are seriously closing accounts because of a few extra words on a name badge? Does it change how their accounts are handled? I find their gender pay gap far more offensive tbh!

 

The irony is, the people who take umbrage with this sort of thing, are the same people who accuse others of being 'easily offended'.

The pay gap issue is another problem (and oke that needs rectifying), and is being used in this instance to undermine a really important step which the Halifax have taken.

 

Hopefully, this will have the same effect as the complaints about the RNLI and other organizations that show values that knuckle draggers don't like - iirc every single one has seen an increase in custom as a result of the "boycotts".

 

You might find that these ‘knuckle draggers’ are a bunch of left leaning women and various gay and lesbians who are indeed ‘losing something’ when their identity is being erased.

According to the radical trans activists you’re not a straight bloke or a lesbian if you’re not happy to date a woman with a beard and a penis. You’re a transphobe.

 

I’m not on either side of the argument here (god help this becoming a woke, sexist, racist, bigoted whatever discussion) but there is one question here for interest:

if the OFFICIAL and documented line from the Halifax is “You can close your account if you don’t like it” as opposed “You can close your account if you don’t like it …. Terms and conditions apply”

Then does that over rule any penalty charges, legal obligations that may exist on an account, mortgage etc.?

Given people can and have been prosecuted for their views on social media do companies not also have to realise similar legalities in statements they make on a the same platforms?

Just a legal viewpoint, question here … I don’t have any Halifax account nor am I looking to close any account, nor do I want to sway in with a viewpoint about pronouns or any other topic people want to go off on one about.

 

I bank with Halifax. Nothing about this would make me change banks. Their gender pay gap maybe would, but only if I knew for certain I'd be switching to a bank where that isn't the case and there aren't any other even worse crimes my potential new bank are committing. I doubt there is such a financial institution. And if I'm honest, summoning up the motivation to switch would be a factor too. My ideals are louder than my actions.

Having said all the above, I personally don't agree that pronouns matter. I try to use the correct ones because I believe that not offending people matters, but I don't believe that pronouns in themselves matter. Not one bit. People can use any they like to me.

 

Imagine cancelling your account because of a pronoun.

What a bunch of nappy wearing snowflakes.

 

Get rid of name badges, problem solved
With my eyesight I'd barely make out the name let alone the pronouns!

 

From my understanding it’s not about the pronouns, it’s the larger issue that Halifax are virtue signalling. They’ll let a female member of staff call themselves he, but it won’t mean that member of staff will then fall the right side of the gender pay gap.

But the big failing seems to be that their response to the hypocrisy being pointed out was ‘fine, we don’t care, move your account if you’re not happy’.

And like @Jay i can see the point, but if you’re gonna go looking for a ‘good’ bank, then you’ll have a hard time. They’re all far from squeaky clean.

 

Good point to ask.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/hsbc-uyghur-china-shares-xinjiang-b1990042.html

 

Of course there's a wider issue. Let's be clear as well that adding pronouns to name badges is optional, only Halifax staff who want their pronouns adding to their name badge will do so. Obviously it opens the door to further gender pay gap discussions (which it should by the way), however certainly in the example above, that's being used to undermine the use of pronouns. It's like criticising the police for solving all of the murders when there's rapists on the loose. Maybe I'm missing the wider point, but I don't see how this isn't progress.

 

I think many women would argue that the wider point is that it’s not progress

 

I can see why the Halifax is doing this and they have made it voluntary so I really can't see what all the fuss is about. If somebody is so bigoted that they are prepared to go through all the hassle of switching banks just because of this, well maybe the Halifax is well rid of them.

 

Halifax should stick to concentrating on the more important things. Properly and safely.

Not so long ago they ended up due to their own negligence in need of a bailout from Lloyds. Otherwise they'd have ended up a "no people thing".

Millions of customers at that time lost the value of their shareholding - a shareholding that Halifax had encouraged them to keep hold of.

Hardly "a people thing" to do to to their investors/customers. One of which was/still is me.

 

Anybody can call themselves what the hell they like.

I do not give a toss.

I want my bank to concentrate on what they are supposed to be engaged by me for - to provide me with a service that does not at the very least involve them wasting my dosh (again).