The ones I gave you on goals from the last two seasons (edited cos I'd used vics entire career minutes. Only played circa 3k in 4 for us. ) especially from open play. Given vic wasn't given the opportunity to take any. With near enough identical minutes on the field. What is your view. Forget how well they played.? Let's be honest Cauley couldn't hit a barn door last season. Either waiting too long to take a shot or easy pickings for the goalie. It's not as though he didn't have chances. His goals per shot ratio was one of. if not the worst. Like I say I'd have liked to see him play a more attacking midfield position. And took that position from Palmer. Because he offers that much more. In workrate. And even in a defensive midfield role.
I think your memory is playing tricks, firstly you said he had only scored 1 goal & it was 3 & then you say that you can remember his number coming up to be subbed, well that was not on many occasions has he only started 2 games last season & 2 the season before so he wasn"t subbed that many times but he has gone & as I have said ,so soon will Vic .
I said earlier in the debate that last season apart from Collins I thought they were all poor but I also blame the HC"s for that who tactically were shocking .
If you read what i said he scored 1 goal in 13 or 14 games on loan in the austrian rola cola league. Theres a reason he only started so few games im still shocked we paid 1million for him. Anyway this is getting silly now i said vic was a scapegoat i gave you reasons for this. You said cauley was and your reason were because people said he should have scored more from open play? I think even he will have wanted to score more from open play in the last 18months.
Actually I never gave a reason why Cauley was made a scapegoat, I could never get my head around why he has got stick in the first place, he even got it when everyone thought he was leaving but then signed an extension, but it has been a trend for the 60 years I have watched the reds with the better players always copping for it when the team were having a bad patch ,but you are right it is a silly argument & we agree to disagree .
Presumably Vic and Palmer have now officially left the club and are now employed elsewhere or unemployed? I don't need a club update every time someone makes a cup of tea but I don't think it's beyond reason to expect an announcement that these two have gone today after their contracts expired. Best for all concerned but confirmation would be welcomed.
Cauley was never scapegoat mate we all realise he is the best goalscorer bfc have had since dyer but we just asked a few questions about his goals from open play... we love him really. I cant knock vic though he isnt the most talented but always gave 100% for us. Ive watched so many over the years come and not give a toss some here at the minute. So whatever happens with him i wish him all the best.
I’m not sure what planet people are on comparing either the contribution or ability of the two. Woodrow is one our best ever forwards in terms of contribution. Vic will be a footnote of a footnote in our history.
He was value for money with his goals getting us promoted and then keeping us in the championship. 16 million quid right there. There is no comparison. Between the two
Last 2 seasons. Being the goals scored I'm referring to. Nothing else. As the question refers to. Nothing before.
There has been a lengthy thread debating the merits of two guys who aren’t our players anymore. Personally I think it’s time for us to move on from Vic like we have from Cauley. I’d rather we spend his wages on a player that might give us more than Vic has been able to do than give him a new contract - nothing personal against him.
You were discussing value for money. Slightly disingenuous not to take into account the 16 million quid his goals got us. Comparing Woodrow to someone who got 7 goals in 5 years and suggesting he is better value for money is just patently ridiculous. Even with your narrow parameters Last season Woodrow was leading scorer by some distance and without his goals in vital as l games we don’t make the playoffs. Vic scored twice all season.
Over the last 2 yrs. Ffs. I've not criticised his value over his career. Have you read any of my previous posts. On my view of Cauly. Answer the question as asked if the one who it was aimed at can't be arsed. Nothing else. Value for money in the goalscorer stakes in minutes played compared to vic.
So you are selecting on season where he was injured for a large part. Of course he wasn’t great value for money when he wasn’t fit to play. That’s a bit of a lame argument. Woodrow is by far the better striker and if we could pick just one almost all would pick him even if his salary is 4x that of Vic Over the time he has been with us he has been a tremendous asset to the club. To cherry pick one small part to try and make a point is a bit spurious
I give up. Perhaps you could answer the question. Honestly. Its NOT about ability. I've stated quite clearly why I'd keep Cauley and choose him over Vic any day of the week. Does that not sink in. . But it keeps getting brought up. Repeat and rinse. That's me done with the subject.
I give up. I've selected 2 seasons where there output of goals has been poor to say the least. From open play. Perhaps you could answer the question. Honestly. Its NOT about ability it's about minutes played btw. I do know Cauly was injured. I also know vic played a lot less minutes . I've stated quite clearly why I'd keep Cauley. But it keeps getting brought up. Perhaps you've missed it. Done with this thread.
So last season Woodrow scored 15 goals and Vic scored 2. This season despite playing poorly again he outscored him. Last season his goals helped get in the play offs. Vic had a lot of minutes and scored twice. If you think Vic is a better forward or you would get better value for money from buying him I have a bridge to sell you.
