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  1. Redstone

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    As ever with language context is everything.
    "Ask a friend if they can help" doesn't necessarily indicate plural rather a potentially unnamed individual.
     
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    It is better to stick to your convictions and make your own mind up. We live in a world now that tells us what is 'right', but it is an ever growing list designed to polarise.
     
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    But in the example I use there is definitely a grammatically correct way to say it, and a grammatically incorrect way to say it. That's where the confusion comes in.
     
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    I wouldn't claim to be knowledgeable enough on grammar to know if it's technically correct or not. However I do agree with you in most instances "they" instinctively feels plural.
    Ultimately I suppose it doesn't matter as language by its very nature evolves over time to meet the needs of those using it.
    I can't understand why anyone would be offended either way bit plenty of people seem to be.
     
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    Fair enough
     
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    Those mawkish piano laden Lockdown ‘things are a bit different right now’ adverts for the Halifax got on my nerves. Masters of modern toss in my view.
     
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    These days, most accusations are a confession/a projection. Right whingers are experts at it. Calling people snowflakes when they themselves cancel culture such things as gender/sexuality/vegan Greggs/black james bond/welfare system/gary lineker/baby names
     
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    Don’t forget banning Christmas
     
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    I don't understand why people seem to be unable to understand the word "seem".
     
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    I know, it's unseemly
     
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    I think if it's a unisex name like Andi, Blake, Charlie, whatever, (He, Him) or (She/her) makes perfect sense. Seen a few like that on the bottom of email signatures.
     
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    With respect...******!. "Common sense" is why anybody interacting with a cashier or adviser as a business tranbsaction in a business environment is interested or needs to know someone's sexual or gender orientation. It is none of my business anyway. If a 6 foot guy called Erica is on the other side of a desk or counter then I do not need a badge to tell me that the likelhood is that the person is not heterosexual. In any case, like I said why does it matter?
    Furthermore why the need to declare personal things like this to all and sundry. If I was trying to gete a date with someone sexual/gender orientation it becomes relevant but in most interactions I am dealing with a human being not a label.

    The whole thing, not just the pronoun issue, has become absurd . In fact IMO the whole thing has polarised, or is in serious danger of polarising society. As I said before why do people insist on being labelled and setting themesleves apart?
     
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    Why are you talking about sexuality?
     
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    Because like many people, they don't understand the difference between gender dysphoria and sexuality.
     
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    Because there is a link (see post 75 in this thread) Labelling a person as a 'she' when outwardly they appear to be male is confusing.

    Then we come to the Govt definition of gender...

    • a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity; gender identity is a personal, internal perception of oneself and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth

      • where an individual may see themselves as a man, a woman, as having no gender, or as having a non-binary gender – where people identify as somewhere on a spectrum between man and woman
    So hang on... "may not match the sex they were assigned to at birth" That word 'sex' again.

    My confusion arises from what factors determine an individuals perception of themselves... Surely a lot of that is if they are, and to whom they are attracted. How do you see yourself as a man or woman or in between?
    To make those judgements and perceptions it must involve internally making a distinction between male and female characteristics and therefore contradicting the whole idea of dismissing stereotyyping male and female roles. In short, what criteria do people use to make internal perceptions?
     
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    I haven't a clue what you're talking about. And post 75 has nothing to do with sexuality.
     
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    You say you have no idea what I am talking about.
    OK so gender dysphoria is the distress felt by someone who feels their personal sense of gender identity does not reflect the sex assigned at birth.
    I simply ask, what do you consider people use as criteria when defining their own gender identity? We must all be comparing ourselves to others. If not sexual stereotypes or characteristics, then, what?
     
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    What do I think people use as criteria when defining their own gender identity? I have absolutely no idea. I have literally never thought about. Nor do I think of my own. My pronouns for myself are I and me, which are gender nonspecific. I have no control over the ones people use about me and nor do I care. I'm 50 now so I don't look as androgynous as I once did, but I still do a bit and absolutely everyone who meets me thinks I'm gay. And I don't care. And I've never cared.
     
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    But still this is nothing to do with sexuality is it? It's to do with gender
     

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