A Leaderless Society

The country wanted Theresa May out and she went, most people wanted Boris out hes going, closer to home we wanted Conway Out, Schopp amd Asbagi out, all gone because the masses wanted it.
We are now pushing for Kahled out, get Devante out.
If Starmer gets in people will do everything they can to get him out? ig Truss gets in get her out.

Whoever is in get them out

A lot wanted Woodrow, Brittaim and Vic out, they should all be happier now.

A bit of stability would be nice in the country and at our club but is that now a thing of the past, is it now whoever is in charge is going to be driven out unless they are a raging success? in a league someone has to come top or bottom. Unless we are up near the top is everyone out.?

 

Did you want May, Johnson, Conway, Schopp or Asbagi?

 

You're exactly right. The best thing for the country would be to keep the criminal, racist, bigot who appoints sex pests. Stability is all that matters.
You're also right that Asbaghi should never have been sacked. Sure he was **** at his job but hey, stability right?

 

Your premise has a lot going for it.

People ought to be careful about what they wish for.

We sadly now have a proletariat with itchy keyboard fingers who have no patience and pronounce their perceived grievances purely and simply because something has happened to them.

Sooner or later I hope that decades of pushing and pulling will lead enough to realise that compromise and co-operation is the only way to make sure we all get the best out of life.

 

In my world I'd rather have people give opportunity to progress. Prove what they can do.

Too many CEOs etc are in place for who they know not what they know. And it goes further down the chain you go.

So many people in this world are very capable, but never given the opportunity.

So, I am very much of the ilk that calls out the incompetent untill someone is installed who bloody well is.

 

No but that's not the question

 

I never said that is what I wanted, so why twist my post in to something I didn't say or mean?

 

Wasn't May "Strong and Stable" or summat...

 

I think you make a decent point but I'd counter that by saying all of those PMs and BFC coaches were kicked out because they were absolutely ******* useless beyond compare. It'd be great to have some stability - they just have to not be utterly sheit.

 

Just for clarity on my OP I believe it would be good for the country and our club to have a leadership group in charge for a length of time to bring stability to our club and country.

In government and at our club it is now a revolving door of people in charge.

While ever the club / country is divided this will always be the case.

No I don't want idiots running our club but at some point we are going to let someone just get on with it as success is rarely over night and takes time and planning.

 

If the answer is no, then what is your better solution? Or do you think we should just be a compliant society where nothing is challenged and everyone just gets on with it? I mean, it definitely worked well in Germany in the 1930s, didn't it?

 

My bad, I took you bemoaning the loss of Boris Johnson and the associated stability as meaning you didnt want to lose Boris Johnson and the associated stability. Likewise I took you complaining about Asbaghi being forced out as you wanting to keep Asbaghi. How silly of me

 

That's exactly what he's promoted for the last few years. Remember he's the guy who says he had no opinion on what Boris Johnson did, in fact has no opinion at all on what his superiors do

 

Seems to be the British way now, the press for me are the worst as it often seems they build someone up to knock them down when they get there.
What the realistic alternative is though who knows.

 

Every one of the examples he gave weren't due to the British way. They were driven out due to gross incompetence and underperforming in their jobs.

 

It's a revolving door because the job isn't being done or being done badly. If it was done right people wouldn't be chopped and changed.

 

This probably happens because the people in charge are obsessed by money and power. People who are obsessed by money and power do not care about anything or anyone else. They exist in a dog-eat-dog world and are only out for themselves. Money and power are all that matters. They are not like us, they have no concept of morality – right or wrong – it just doesn’t register. Money and power. Money and power. They might pay lip-service to society, to the club, but they've have no idea how to run either. They might talk a good game but that’s all it is - talk. When their incompetence reveals itself then they'll replace a manager or bicker over a new leader. Faced with a real emergency, faced with a need to take action, they can do nothing because they don’t know how to do anything. Except talk. And so, we end up in a state of paralysis that leads to relegation, despair, and this winter, extreme hardship the like of which we've never seen.

The masses have been duped.

 

I read the title of the thread and instinctively agreed with it.

Having read the actual post behind the title, I can't possibly agree.

Stability works when you have someone competent without being amazing. Often called "a safe pair of hands". You'll do the basics well, you'll get the bread and butter right, you'll be without scandal and drama. But they won't be innovators that take things to better levels you wouldn't perhaps have expected.

But... to have stability, you need the right people. You need a stable competent person. Otherwise you get drama and crisis, on top of the external factors.

From a football point of view, you're taking multiple views and distilling them into a convenient argument that's far too simplistic. You're conflating needing to get our big earners off the books after the worst season in modern memory with an incompetent clueless CEO who has made an absolute hash of multiple decisions that has caused hurt and embarrassment like no other CEO/MD/General Manager has in my lifetime.

From a political point of view, how many years of Liz Truss would you like of her brand of stability? As she attacks judges, any remaining independent media, the green sector, poor people, the bank of england, "woke" people and anything else that is convenient to paint as an enemy.

It's maybe worth saying we've had 12 years of conservative "stability" now. I don't know about you, but it doesn't feel very stable. And ironic that the public didn't actually have a hand in changing those leaders. But instead just 150-200 tory MP's.

But what I would come back to is your title. It's correct, even if the tenet of the post isn't. We are leaderless in so many ways. Our club has been leaderless in many areas for the last year or so. The country has been leaderless for the best part of a decade.

We have a lack of sincerity, morality, decency, competence and perhaps most importantly conviction.

I'm not sure why that is. Perhaps a good area to debate.

 

All very true. Sadly…

Sincerity, morality, decency, competence, conviction = dull, boring.

Drama, scandal = exciting, attention grabbing.

In a society that wants to be constantly entertained there’s only one winner.