Death penalty.

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  1. dreamboy3000

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    Just like Jon Venables but it hasn't stopped regular new photos of him being posted online by those in the know.
     
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    Lord Denning MR on the Birmingham Six:

    “We shouldn't have all these campaigns to get them released if they'd been hanged. They'd have been forgotten and the whole community would have been satisfied.”

    Just think about that, in the context of the kind of government we have at the moment, and the way society has been polarized and made more divisive by the media, especially the tabloids. And then reflect on the fact that their conviction was found to be unsafe. Who'd want to be a party to that?
     
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    You always see people saying ‘I’d happily be the executioner’ but it makes me wonder how they’d feel when they find out the person they murdered last month was innocent. When they remember the poor man/woman with tears streaming down their face as they were brought in, professing their innocence, the partner and kids outside desperately campaigning one last time for their release or the broken family who think their partner/child/parent is a murderer when they were actually innocent all along. The family of the victim who, after thinking they could finally find peace, realises that another innocent person has been senselessly murdered and the guilt they would no doubt feel after being responsible for their prosecution and death. No normal person could have carried out their execution and then carry on as normal like nothing happened, happily murdering the next person on the list.
     
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    Just seen this post then some things on twitter. I really do think that (the death penalty) is a very populist view.

    Well done also to @JamDrop on twitter for debating your views (that I agree 100% with) in a calm and collected and FACTFUL way without losing your rag..... I was seething looking at some of the comments.
     
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    I could be wrong but I think normally its a case of either being a witness agaisnt the accused or getting hit with joint enterprise.
     
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    Even if the perpetrator was 100 per cent guilty the victims relative/ family will look to that corner of the room where the toys are kept or where they sat and realise it isn't bringing that person back. I don't think people realise how final death is. It's a void. Nothing, emptiness.
     
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    I agree with assuming the guy who ran into the house now cooperates fully with the investigation. If not then I'd say he's just as guilty.
     
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    It was a podcast called case file that covers crimes all over the world, so I can't specifically remember the country it was referring to, but for the most part, it's crimes in America or Australia.
     
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    There's an ongoing case where 12 gang members where found guilty of the murder of a young man. The guy who actually landed the punch pleaded guilty but all the others found guilty on the basis they were there when the assault took place - joint enterprise. I think they are appealing.
    Can't be sure but I think a prisoner was charged with a crime which took place outside the prison because the crime was done on his orders.
    Joint enterprise - a difficult issue and open to many interpretations.
     
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    I couldn't 'be the executioner' of somebody who was guilty of murdering someone close to me nor would I want someone else to do the executing.
     
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    The death penalty is murder. Planned murder. You may believe that this is deserved. You may believe that this is just. But that doesn't change the fact that it is murder. I don't believe that anyone, or any state has the right to murder. It is still murder if the individual is guilty as charged and it is still murder if that charge is murder.
     
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    I know what you mean but like JamDrop your use of the word ‘murder’ wouldn’t technically be right given a murder is defined as unlawful premeditated killing of another person - or words to that effect.

    ‘Unlawful’ - meaning if the state required it and the law had been altered to allow it and the legal system passed the sentence, it would be within the law of the land. So not ‘murder’.

    For what it’s worth I agree with the sentiment of your post. I can’t see an argument for it or any justification. Levels of crime, particularly gun crime and murder etc, look to be much higher in countries with the death penalty so there’s no argument it’s a deterrent.
     
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    Interesting choice of words. Essentially the exact same philosophy of the American pro-life lobby. Yet I oppose capital punishment and support pro-choice. No point specifically, just found the description interesting.
     
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    I think the difference is that a woman has to be forced to carry the pregnancy. That’s not a thing in any other case, no one can be forced to have a medical procedure against their wishes to save anyone else’s life, especially one that comes with such a high chance of complications and potential death (before anyone starts with Covid vaccine equivalences, no one was actually forced to have one. You might class manipulation as forced, and you might be right, but it was always still a choice at the end of the day and people could say no). If, I don’t know, somehow the foetus could be removed and implanted in a willing surrogate or something then maybe that would be the thing to do but that’s not what is being discussed and so abortion needs to remain a thing.
     
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    Hope you didn’t get me wrong there. Just to clarify, I support pro-choice 100%, and I think what’s happening in the US following Roe vs Wade is horrific
     
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    Chances are, he's already dead. Hopefully, by his own hand..
     
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    I know, don’t worry.
     
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    Denning was opposed to homosexual men and women becoming judges.
    He was also opposed to black people serving on juries -- A dangerous man !
     
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    I've always said they can have 3 meals a day,computers,TV's or whatever but they can't go out doing all the things we can. Imagine being locked up 24/7 and with some of the nutters inside. That's more punishment then the death penalty imo.
     
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    Exactly, and it obviously didn’t stop the moors murders either.
     
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