Video of the pen

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by Chef Tyke, Jan 2, 2023.

  1. Redstone

    Redstone Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2005
    Messages:
    16,072
    Likes Received:
    11,516
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    Perhaps a little harsh to get a red but looked clumsy and out position. Just one we have have accept I think.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  2. Fea

    Fearless Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,245
    Likes Received:
    820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Agree with this 100%
     
    leythtyke and Redhelen like this.
  3. Mid

    Mido Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2006
    Messages:
    11,948
    Likes Received:
    7,256
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Penalty but never a red.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  4. Acido Tyke

    Acido Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2017
    Messages:
    8,619
    Likes Received:
    4,801
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Normanton, West Yorkshire
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Its clumsy from Mads again, and I hope Duff is going to discuss it with him in more detail, maybe in private.
    And although these refs are appalling, these sort of clumsy challenges are just making it easy for them to give a pen each time.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  5. Winker

    Winker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2017
    Messages:
    3,633
    Likes Received:
    3,011
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    RETIRED AND LOVING IT
    Location:
    Bridlington
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Just a clumsy clot, as mi mother would say, Definately a penalty, and sending off, that's Football.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  6. Gimson&theBarnsleys

    Gimson&theBarnsleys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2005
    Messages:
    7,460
    Likes Received:
    6,111
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Yes, should have left alone; he was going no where with that.
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  7. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    43,085
    Likes Received:
    31,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    On Sofa
    Style:
    Barnsley
    What am I missing? Andersen brings down their forward, who is clean through, in the penalty area, without an attempt to play the ball. Clear penalty, clear sending off. Are people suggesting that didn't happen?
     
  8. sus

    susietyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,879
    Likes Received:
    163
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    on tour in League 1
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    From my view in the east stand Mads was clearly being fouled before they even got into the box, given the opportunity their player went for it. Harsh for a pen when it should have been our free kick. Never a red card.

    3 soft pens in 3 games and nothing in our favour - refs apparently aren't happy with us are they
     
    cudeth red and Chef Tyke like this.
  9. Gimson&theBarnsleys

    Gimson&theBarnsleys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2005
    Messages:
    7,460
    Likes Received:
    6,111
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Yes, nearly ruined my afternoon. However, we played some of the best football I've seen this season, despite the circumstances. Hopefully this galvanizes us going going forward in the season.
     
    Cowboy likes this.
  10. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    34,390
    Likes Received:
    23,824
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Farnham
    Style:
    Barnsley
    That’s how the ref saw it
    Some are suggesting that he missed the foul on Mads before hand and also some are suggesting that Kitching was a covering defender.
    Both in my view valid points. Quite a few refs would have given the pen and a yellow card or even no card at all
     
    Redhelen and Exile like this.
  11. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    43,085
    Likes Received:
    31,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    On Sofa
    Style:
    Barnsley
    We're a very good team. Andersen is a very good player. But we can't win them all. Occasionally a very good player makes a mistake. It was a penalty and a sending off. We pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and win the next 5 games. What we shouldn't do is come out with some nonsense that we're hard done by. We''re not. And if we go down that route we just look like nob heads. If we accept defeat graciously and go on to win the next half dozen games fairly we look like heroes.

    Have some pride and value in yourself and stop bitching. FFS.
     
  12. Che

    Chef Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    19,551
    Likes Received:
    12,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    West Stand Bogs
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley

    Have a look at his left leg and give the video a couple of runs - he tries to play the ball I think? However I don’t think he trips him up.

    Their player just stops and puts his hands up in the air and falls forward.

    I watched their number 10 quite closely after this and he was adept at winning fouls, playing for it all the time. Norwood does this too. I don’t think it’s a natural reaction to fling your hands up in the air as he did - it’s something you do when you’re trying to win a penalty, which is precisely what he did.

    I can see why the ref fell for it. However - to send him of is totally inept. Kitching was covering and there was an attempt to play the ball - in either scenario that can’t be a sending off.
     
    Gimson&theBarnsleys likes this.
  13. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    43,085
    Likes Received:
    31,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    On Sofa
    Style:
    Barnsley
    I don't agree with you mate. I believe in accepting the ruling of impartial officials who we've asked to take on that role. I believe in accepting defeat, moving on and becoming stronger from doing that. And I do not understand this belief that there is some sort of conspiracy against Barnsley. Because why would there be?
     
  14. Che

    Chef Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    19,551
    Likes Received:
    12,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    West Stand Bogs
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley


    I don’t either mate - as I think I posted the other day suggesting bias against Barnsley is a total nonsense, just isn’t true and makes you look daft.

    but…

    the two things are mutually exclusive. Poor decisions can be poor without being bias and I genuinely think that we have been on the receiving end of poor decisions in the last 3 matches. Today is especially frustrating as it changed the game. They do tend to even themselves out and I hope they do, but if we keep getting them made against us I will continue to moan about them, because my wife certainly won’t listen to me about them :)
     
  15. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    28,398
    Likes Received:
    23,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    If that challenge was other way round, I suspect there wouldn’t be a single person on here saying it wasn’t a penalty. Like previous match, he’s clumsy, he makes contact, it’s a penalty. Easy decision for the ref to make.
     
    Archey and Shepley Red like this.
  16. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    43,085
    Likes Received:
    31,451
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    On Sofa
    Style:
    Barnsley
    As an experiment, using your same critical evaluation, and same attention to detail, explain to us why the decision NOT to award Bolton a penalty for the challenge in the area was the correct decision (the one prior to the penalty that was given).
     
    Shepley Red likes this.
  17. Archey

    Archey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    26,063
    Likes Received:
    21,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    A big massive boat
    Style:
    Barnsley
    This part of your post sums everything up for me. The ref has to make a split second decision on what he thinks he's seen, no time to get a close look at the left leg, no 2nd or 3rd time viewing it, no 'I think' etc.

    In first viewing, I thought Andersen was being fouled in the build up. With the hindsight of the replay, it seems 50/50 at best, but for me Mads clearly has both hands on their lad. In the moment, the ref is always likely to favour the attacker there.

    I guess the same goes with the red card. He's deemed it (rightly in my opinion) that Andersen isn't trying to play the ball, and that Kitching isn't close enough to cover (that's the debatable point for me). But as I say, he's got to make that decision instantly, with no do overs. Which is why I'm an advocate for VAR.
     
  18. Che

    Chef Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    19,551
    Likes Received:
    12,564
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    West Stand Bogs
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley

    Kitching’s - not a penalty as the offence took outside the box, but I do think it was a foul. Had he blown, he should have been sent off.
     
  19. She

    Shepley Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Messages:
    6,873
    Likes Received:
    7,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Building Surveyor
    Location:
    Meltham, Huddersfield
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Exactly what I said. If that happened at the other end of the pitch then we'd have been screaming for a penalty / red card. It was clumsy from Mads and he has to start learning very quickly because hes given away 2 penalties in consecutive games.
    This notion from some fans that all officials are biased against us is embarrassing.
    As @Jay said, we dust ourselves down, learn from it and go again.
     
  20. YT

    YT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2020
    Messages:
    4,681
    Likes Received:
    18,566
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It was just outside the box, the very brief shirt pull by Kitching. He’d just about let go by the time they entered the box and the striker blazed over. But it was more of a foul than the Andersen incident, I’ll say that.

    I think the Mads one was 50/50. Both tugged each other’s shirts, the striker was clever and won a penalty. Very similar to the one we didn’t get on Norwood a few days ago. It’s bad defending and I didn’t feel hard done by when the ref pointed to the spot.

    But by the rules of the game, it’s not a sending off because he tried to play the ball, and there was another defender about to kick the ball clear. I was staggered to see him sent off. A decision that basically killed the game inside 10 mins.

    No accusation of bias from me. Just call things as I see them. Regardless, we’ve been on the wrong end of refereeing decisions far too often this season, especially of late.

    Easiest defeat of the season to quickly move on from.

    Thought the fans were great second half too. Glad they appreciated the efforts against all odds. Onto the FA Cup!
     

Share This Page