Capital punishment

That's why capital punishment can be dangerous! Executing someone with the wrong identity!

 

The problem is people commit murder in England and don't even get a life sentence that means LIFE.

 

Totally agree..never understand on ANY sentence given to offenders why we still hand down a time element knowing that the offender is automatically cutting that in half, surely its time we just sentenced for the period to be served with the instruction that any bad behaviour during sentence will trigger a review and possible extension of said sentence...
In cases like this life would mean life, as in your not getting out....

 

You didn't answer my question?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64319487

At the other end of the scale there's this. Absolutely appalling what goes on across the middle east and the sub continent regarding abuse of women.

 

Appalling, and truly shocking Churton , but as for human rights, forget it. They don't exist. (Not that you didn't already know that.) I'd really struggle to condemn his execution. And they (the perpetrators of such crimes) call it honour killing. Wtf.

 

Honour killings, FGM, forced marriages, abductions. It's not even medieval it's stone age.

 

My son who lives in london. Purchased a book signed by the author, a friend. On the subject. as she was a victim of FGM.

In this country btw folk still take children abroad to have the procedure done.
The book is called CUT.

Cut: One Woman's Fight Against FGM in Britain Today

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Imagine for a moment that you are 6-years-old and you are woken in the early hours, bathed and then dressed in rags before being led down to an ominous looking tent at the end of your garden. And there, you are subjected to the cruellest cut, ordered by your own mother.

Forced down on a bed, her legs held apart, Hibo Wardere was made to undergo female genital cutting, a process so brutal, she nearly died.

As a teenager she moved to London in the shadow of the Somalian Civil War where she quickly learnt the procedure she had undergone in her home country was not 'normal' in the west. She embarked on a journey to understand FGM and its roots, whilst raising her own family and dealing with the devastating consequences of the cutting in her own life. Today Hibo finds herself working in London as an FGM campaigner, helping young girls whose families plan to take them abroad for the procedure. She has vowed to devote herself to the campaign against FGM.

 

I didn't think it happened outside of Africa but, apparently it does happen in a few places on the sub continent. When you look at what's going on in places like Iran and Afghanistan in terms of just simple civil rights it makes you despair.

 

I was editing b4 your reply Churton.

 

Makes you shudder mate.

 

Sorry edited again with a better explanation. I realised it could have been misread.

 

And you ignored what I said your not forced to get a full life sentence for murder.
Going back to your question I can't answer I've never been to jail and I suppose everyone is different one person would want to die the other would want to see his time out in jail.

 

Why would I answer your question after you dodging mine? And this discussion comes on the back of people who will never be let out so I thought thats what we were on about.

 

"If you’re found guilty of murder, a court must give you a life sentence. A court may decide to give a life sentence for other serious offences like rape or armed robbery.

If you’re given a life sentence it will last for the rest of your life."

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence/life-sentences

The judge specifies the minimum term that the defendant serves before becoming eligible for parole. They do not get 15 years and out in 8. They serve a minimum of 15 years and if they get parole spend the rest of their life on licence. Some murderers get a "whole life order" - which expires shortly after the cremation... If a paroled murderer is caught breaking another law - even just shoplifting or peeing against a lamppost, they are back inside for the rest of their life.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/sentencing-and-the-council/types-of-sentence/life-sentences/

The exact term depends on guidelines set out here by Parliament. This isn't judges going off piste - they have to follow these sentencing guidelines.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/17/schedule/21/enacted

 

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/23/joey...leased-17-years-after-racist-murder-17440134/

There's just one example of a murderer been released after 17 years of been convicted of a violent murder. I remember this as it was only last year.
Like I said a life sentence doesn't necessarily mean spending the rest of your life in jail. I know your saying well they have to be good when they get out or they will go straight back. But if you murder someone they should be no 17 25 30 years before considered for parole life should mean life whatever your opinions on capital punishment surely you agree with that?

 

Yes and in the case of the Guildford 4 it would have been theoretically possible for them to have received the death penalty at the time. The Judge said when passing sentence that he regretted that the charges weren't of treason - which carried a mandatory death sentence until the mid 1990s.

The Pogues are still **** though.

 

I tend to agree. There are always grey areas but other than exceptional circumstances I tend to feel that life should mean life.
For one thing I don't think psychiatry or understanding of mental illness is anywhere near the level where we can say someone who murdered as a result of that sort of illness can ever be proven to be recovered and will never relapse.
For pre meditated murder then I don't see an excuse for parole or a less than life sentence.
For spur of the moment murder how do you say with certainty that they will never lose control of themselves again.
There again say a woman is in an abusive relationship and does it to protect herself or her kids....how does that stand?
It's a thorny subject.

 

I just don't get the logic of it all. "Oh he's murdered someone, that's horrendous. What shall we do to punish him? Let's kill him!"

Are we dishing out punishment rapes etc too?

 

Earlier in this thread you were complaining about the cost of keeping people in prison. Doesn't it make sense to parole prisoners if the authorities are satisfied that they're reformed?