Isted v Collins

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  1. Jud

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    No idea couldn’t see em in the shadow and that kit (ifollow).
     
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    He was beaten on his near post at Exeter too, as well as dropping the ball, which led to the 3rd
     
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    Voice of Reason Well-Known Member

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    It's all about opinions, but I think Collins is a better sweeper keeper and is better with his feet than Isted.
     
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    I'd keep Isted in although I think Collins is marginally better overall. The defence are used to him now which is surely a bonus and he's done nothing seriously 'wrong'. He's not a world beater and makes marginal errors but then Collins isn't Gordon Banks and also makes errors. Both decent keepers at this level. No major reason to change in other words. They both also make decent saves occasionally btw..
     
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    Isted’s kickings better?

    That’s one of Collins strengths IMHO.
     
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    Play whoever will be here next season
     
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    I'd say that. It always seemed a strange loan have we have brought isted in because Collins is off in the summer and isted will come for free as he is out of contract?
     
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    Collins should have been back after Exeter. He wouldn't have conceded at least one of those two goals yesterday. He's our own keeper, our number 1 and only lost his place though no fault of his own. He's one of the very best keepers in our league and Championship clubs would have him. Isted has done alright, but Collins needs bringing back.
     
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    Isted has made some good saves, but he was beaten at his near post in each of the last two away games.
     
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    Hes not a patch as a sweeper keeper compared to Brad mate. I like he comes for crosses, he caught everything at first, but he's flapping at them now. Shots on target resulting in goals and measured by the amount of shots taken is massively skewered against Collins too, because plenty of teams only had one, maybe 2, shots on target, and 5 games in a row they were penalties. So for all those games Collins save % would look poor. As long as all that gets factored in, then fair enough
     
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    Not denying it
     
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    Isted for me' this sweeper keeper thing that Collins adopts always seems like an accident waiting to happen for me' can't do with the silly timewasting either.
     
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    Tyke The Tree-Frog Well-Known Member

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    The silly time wasting is down to Duff though. Isted has done it when needed. You can't really berate the sweeper keeper role because even if we do crap ourselves, Collins is brilliant at it. So basically we'd be punishing him for being good at something mate. These stats don't take into account how many shots dont get registered because Collins stop it before turning into a shot too
     
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    Definitely duff will be telling them both to spin the clock down if the games close or were on the back foot. Game management and all that.
    People forget Collins only lost his place through injury and isted got into some great form and was undropable but the last 2 away games especially yesterday leaves his place in the 11 under some serious threat. For me I'd let Collins start on Monday.
     
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    I’d bring Brad back. Isted is good but think we need a bit more experience and we do lose something when he isn’t sweeper keeping. But as others as said Duff will decide and knows more than us plebs
     
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    Definitely keep Isted. People keep saying Collins did nothing to be dropped. Oh but he did, he was absolutely awful for months and barely made a save. If the opposition had a shot it was a goal conceded. Isted made more saves against Sheffield Wednesday than Collins did since October.

    Isted also distributes the ball quickly, Collins will try to slow the game down and time waste from the first second.
     
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    This post is quite possibly the biggest load of ******** I’ve ever read.

    If the opposition had a shot it was a goal conceded? Awful for months? That is palpably and measurably inaccurate.

    Fair enough have a view but don’t spout absolute **** to try and justify it.

    And as for Isted made more saves v Sheffield Wednesday than Collins did since October?

    Since October, and for clarity and ease of comparison I’ll include the league game on 29 October, we lost two league games with Collins in goal up to his injury after the game at Portsmouth on 04 February. In that time he conceded 12 goals in 12 league games. We amassed 26 points. Four of the twelve goals conceded were from penalties. Of the other eight, I recall none to which I’d attribute blame to Brad Collins. You may wish to assert different.

    From Isted getting into the team until yesterday, he also has played 12 league games. Conceded only ten. We amassed 28 points. Also lost only two of the twelve games. However the losses were consecutive away games against opposition we should have been looking to beat, and both included goalkeeping errors similar in nature, i.e goals conceded at the near post.

    The stats show that the team has amassed more points with him goal and conceded fewer goals so there isn’t any need to make up things and give ridiculous assertions to prove a point. The stats on their own suggest Isted hasn’t in any way weakened the team.

    However four of the goals conceded by Collins were penalties, Isted only one. Two further of Collins’ goals against were against Bolton when we were down to ten men.

    Isted looked great for his first seven or eight games. In my view he’s looked more shaky in his last four or five, being less decisive in his area, nervous with the ball at his feet and also conceding some poor goals, at least one in each of the past two away defeats were goalkeeping errors. Seven of his goals conceded are in the last four games.

    I would recall Collins, but I have no issue if Duff continues to select Isted. I suspect you however to have an unfounded long term agenda with Collins.

    Had Collins conceded seven goals in four games, including at least two directly attributed to errors by him, you’d be calling for him to hung, drawn and quartered. In reality he was one of the only players to get any credit last season; he is one of the more valuable assets in the team and one of few who’d be snapped up by teams at a higher level.
     
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    I rate both lads and have no worries at all which of the two is selected.
     
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    But the accident never has happened, because Collins is excellent with the ball at his feet.
     
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    This is absolutely right. Both are good. My preference is Collins but happy if Duff goes Isted. Though I think threads like this aren’t always the most helpful as they just heighten the pressure on players, especially with keepers.
     

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