Dear snowflakes - golliwogs are not racist

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  1. Tyke The Tree-Frog

    Tyke The Tree-Frog Well-Known Member

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    Originally I was going to say this surely has to be fake, because how anyone can say something so tragic and misguided in todays world, for 2 reasons, 1 being how far we've come, 2 being there's every chance he could get caught. But having seen his 'defense' I'm convinced he did say it - what an absolute odious cretin.
     
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    I’ve just seen that he’s a school governor of the local primary school too.
     
  3. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    'Tory in vile Tory shocker'.

    I look forward to seeing absolute Twitter silence from 30p Lee, Andrew Davies et al
     
  4. Ton

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    LOOK IT UP before you you make comments like that.
    The adage refers to a digging implement. Your comments from a position of ignorance are exactly the problem.
     
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    When I was a little lad golliwogs were semi -cute little badges one could get from robertsons jam. I just thought of them as that simply because I was a little lad and had no contextual experience or knowledge. However, by the time Id got to, say, 12/13 I knew they had racist overtones because I'd managed to work it out. It didn't take much to think it through to be honest. So based on that (and other experiences) I now just think racists are stupid, thick Neanderthals who just can't work things out like I could by the time I was 12 years old.
    Can I just add that if you're a racist reading this then I must say you are a thick moronic twa.t (see above)
     
  6. man

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    Would you use the word niggardly?
     
  7. Ton

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    No
     
  8. John Peachy

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    Where is the laugh icon?
     
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    Why not? Its etymology has no racist aspect.
     
  10. SuperTyke

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    Throw him in prison and lock him in a cell with a load of black guys for 3 months then we'll see who is who's slave
     
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  11. John Peachy

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    PS They were on TJM Records. A great label, but sadly chose another way. Racism has nothing to do with punk.
     
  12. KamikazeCo-Pilot

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    Can I also just say as an aside to my previous post that if the landlady is sensible/ commonsensical she will withdraw the golliwogs and just have them as her own private collection. They might even go up on value. She has obviously knee jerked and will probably dig in now however.
     
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  13. Ton

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    I’ll take your word for it, I don’t know what that word means, but if I wanted to know what it meant, I’d look it up, like I did when my colleague used the “spade a spade” thing. I found that it means a spade. A digging implement, I’d suggest it was the person who looked for a more sinister meaning to the phrase who had the problem with race.
     
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    I remember that being used to describe brown three-piece suites in the 70s.
    Not just colloquially either, you'd see it as the official colour in print in the Coop brochure.
    I remember once challenging a close relative who described a sofa in that way - 'Isn't that racist?' and a look of complete confusion appeared on their face. It had never occurred to them.
    Different times!
     
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    She’s replacing them.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...wog-doll-collection-that-was-seized-by-police
     
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    My mother often used the phrase n....r brown to describe a colour...I don't think it ever crossed her mind that it might be racist
     
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    There was a brand of paint on the market called 'nig.ger brown'. Not racist though, simply a description of colour as all niggers are exactly the same, all folks who are brown are niggers. Should have been some samples for that and if bought should have been the same batch run. 'Yorkshireman pink'
     
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    Quite. As Sparky said above though, the people who used this terminology often did so in blissful, unthinking ignorance in those days.
    It's a bit like someone using a phrase like 'clot cold' without knowing what clot means, or saying 'I'll stand drop o' York' without understanding what they are saying. But they say it anyway.
     
  19. John Peachy

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    I used to have some Gollywog footballers back in the day. I loved them. Problem is I've grown up. I've seen racism as it is. If others don't they can **** off.
     
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    Honestly, the only time I've ever come across the word 'spade' as slang for a black person has been in mid twentieth century US hardboiled crime novels. I think Chandler used it, but I know Walter Mosley does extensively.

    I know this as I remember it taking me a while to work out what it meant!
     
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