Coming from behind to win...

Well documented about our record once we fall behind this season. But I seem to recall it was also an issue under Struber, and was certainly an issue under Schopp and Asbaghi. Can't remember how often we came from behind under Stendel in League 1.

Seems the only coach that has had us just carry on playing after conceding has been Ismael. Was that because of his coaching style, tactics, behind closed doors, or the fact that he had Solbauer, Mowatt and James in the team when he first took over? Or all of the above?

 

Under Ishmael we had a strict structure and style regardless of the opposition. It doesn't matter whether you're 1-0 down when the players have confidence in how they're doing things. They knew they had a role and if they stuck to a plan it would righten itself.

Val came in after the euphoria of the great escape where players would buy into things quicker. It didn't matter going behind because the players had confidence they could play the system. The system also suited the ability of the players available to Val because the window was shut. It was needs must.

Duff has come in with a new squad and players bereft of confidence after a miserable relegation with deep scars to heal. The players have talent so haven't gone behind that often. Their faith in their ability and Duff has got them through matches from the front.

The problem has been their resilience. Duff has done an excellent job making it so it won't be tested as much.

Let's hope the Play-Offs run smoothly as that's my only reservation about these players. I know this sounds critical, they haven't shown much if any bottle this season.

 

Would be sweet if our one and only time we come from behind to win all season was the play off final.

 

.... with a penalty..

 

I just think it's very, very difficult for him to make a change that influences the game because the squad is 13 good players and a very steep drop off into what appears to be mostly a pile of old dog egg or pre-pubescent children after that.

 

I don't think the bench is the issue. Or it least the main issue. The reaction of the 11 on the pitch at the time of going behind is the issue.

We still lack a senior group of players to drag the rest through when a game is difficult.

 

It would be interesting to know how often other teams come from behind to win. Are we actually that much of a statistical outlier?

Obviously the 'elite' clubs are a special case. Man City for example would be supremely confident that if a random lower PL team took the lead that they'd still have enough in reserve to come out on top at the end of 90 minutes. I'm not sure that's the case for most clubs up and down the leagues though.

 

It's a table we are bottom of https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/punktenachrueckstand/wettbewerb/GB3

Fallen behind 12 times, and got 2 points

 

That's interesting. Looking at it we're a bit of an outlier in more than one respect - firstly only going behind 12 times over the course of the season. That's a record only Ipswich and Wednesday can match. So in 30+ games we scored first. Most teams in the division have gone behind 20 to 30 times over the course of the season. And secondly, that we haven't been able to recover when we have.

I wonder if this is a tactical as well as mental issue. Does our gameplan work best when teams are on an even footing and both looking to open the scoring? Once the other side takes the lead and looks to shut the game down somewhat we then struggle? I think there might be something in that

 

Thing is... some clubs have fallen behind more than 20 times. That makes the probability of a comeback greater...

 

So the number or times a game has been won by a team when conceding the first goal is 57 times out of 487 occasions.

Or to put it a other way only 12% of games have resulted in a team winning when conceding first. Any team getting any points after conceding first is really on a good thing because most other teams simply don't do it.

We are poor at getting anything from a game where it happens, thankfully we're also good at scoring first, but it is a concern that we can't even get a point at home when conceding first at home , which has happened 5 times this season.

No idea why we're so poor though. Reliance? Lack of a Plan B? Confidence? I'm sure the coaching staff must be aware of the stat.

 

Very true. And the main context around any data of this season is the fact that we are 4th in the league.

But

Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday average a point for every time they've fallen behind. Plymouth average even more. Derby and Bolton also average around a point per game they've fallen behind in.

For a top 6 team, our record of 2 points out 12 games is very poor, and can be seen as a reason why we've failed to make the top 2. Thankfully, our record of not dropping points when going ahead is also very good.

 

I knew there was more in it. I'm glad these stats have been posted. I was rash calling them bottlers per se but these stats kind of suggest that we're a bit fair weather. Flat track bullies.

 

I wouldn't say flat track bullies. We've beaten some very good teams. But there's something specific about going a goal behind that we're struggling with

 

Winning after falling behind was a regular feature under big Val. It seems really odd that we can't seem to do it under Duff.

 

Need to get Luca Brecel in he's just shown how it's done.

 

Yeah he's just bum med O'Sullivan .

 

I’d say it’s more a case of we don’t have players on the bench who can particularly change the way we play for the better.
In other words we play a certain way and if a team finds a way to counter that we struggle to adapt.

 

If we don't score when we're on top in games we're f cuked.

 

was while @Stephen Dawson was filming it