Ashes 2023

Finished before lunch tomorrow

 

It makes logical sense but it encourages situations like we had with Lyon clearly unable to run and very likely to do more damage to himself.
Also, it was a ridiculous situation

 

Nobody forced him to go out, it is tough luck.

 

It's not that simple though is it?

For example, nobody forces boat people to cross the channel. It's not tough luck if anything happens to them.

Lyon would no doubt have feared being thought of as a quitter if he hadn't gone out to bat.

 

I like Nathan Lyon.. Great competitor and seems a decent bloke with his inclusive cricket work.

 

Definitely not out by the way, he's grounded that ball.

 

Yep, not sure why there’s even any debate. The ball hit the ground before the fielder was in control of both himself and the ball. Stupid fielding from Starc.

 

It isn't quite the same though is it? Lyon's life wasn't in danger, nobody expected him to come out. If they win by 15 runs then fair play to him for playing but ultimately it was his choice and I find it hard to believe any of the Aussie camp would have pushed him.

 

People push themselves though, to do things that they ought not to. And sometimes need protecting from themselves.

In Lyon's case, a medical ought to have prevented him from feeling as though he ought to take one for the team. In my opinion.

It's not a black or white one.

 

Lords picture of the day. George more interested in getting some pizza eaten, than having anything to do with the Prime Minister stood behind him. Kid has his priorities all right.

 

"And now I'm pretending to care about homelessness to look better than my brother and they're eating it up. Honestly, I'll give you my PR guy's number, he's great"

 

You're comparing people crossing the channel who are escaping persecution with bloke playing cricket.

 

Watched it a few times bow and I can't believe its even being questioned at all. The fact Starc thinks that's a acceptable method of taking a catch is the only explanation as to why he would do that.

 

Clear and obvious cheating.

Starc's roughing up one side of the ball....

 

What if I compared a cricketer who'd just been struck on the head and was concussed and was about to face another Mitchell Starc bouncer, with a perfectly healthy non-persecuted Albanian 20 year old in a perfectly sturdy boat on a mill pond of an English Channel who's got halfway to England and is waiting for arrangements to be made for his safe transportation the rest of the way?

The point to which I responded relates to nobody forcing them to be where they are.

I have pointed out that the issue is not black and white. Obviously you think that it is.

 

Lyon made his choice, he wasn't putting himself at any greater undue risk than normal with the exception of making his actual injury worse.
The hit on the head example is rather different as it would directly impact the ability to make a rational decision of the person involved. Similarly to allowing a boxer to determine if they would be allowed to carry on when taking a beating.
You're correct it's not black and white, not sure why you went to migrants as a example, seems a odd choice in a cricket thread.

 

Same old Aussies - always cheating! Just like Smith in the first innings who grounded the ball then flipped himself over to claim the catch.

Cheating, pure and simple, and I detest players who do this expecting to get away with it.

 

Lyon’s injury was first called as a bad “strain” of the calf muscle and later it was referred to as a “ tear”.
I’m no medic but the tear sounds much worse especially if he was excessively walking or running.

We’ve got to assume that the experts would have known the situation but my opinion is that he shouldn’t have batted.

Also, I don’t want to watch a Test match with 9 men on the boundary and no runs being taken.
Farcical !

 

How about a one legged non persecuted Somalian with an eye infection?

 

Stokes starting to charge down the pitch to the fast bowlers. Rarely a tactic that ends well for him