ULEZ Expansion

Thoughts? Helping make us greener, another cost people don't need when they are already struggling or a bit of both?

 

If there is an adequate scrappage scheme for the areas plus those neighbouring then it is probably a good thing.

You only have to commute to work to see some of the crap being kicked out by older cars and vans etc.

 

Another con

 

It’s needs to happen, and it’s never going to be popular when it does. Anyone whose car falls foul of it can get £2000 to get a replacement (no, that wouldn’t get you a brand new car but they’re not replacing a brand new car and the age the petrol ones must be (over 15yrs old minimum) then they’d probably would have been needing to replace it at their own expense very soon anyway). Mine and my husband’s cars are 15yr and 20yr old respectively and they are both listed as compliant so it’s quite a low bar.

Almost everything that has changed in the past for people’s safety, that is an inconvenience, faced resistance but I wouldn’t want to be without those changes now. At least they’re not saying everyone has to get expensive electric cars.

 

Because of the tube links in London, I’d say that every few people need to have a car to commute within these areas, so would say it’s in general a good thing.
The problem is they’re not only charging commuters. Poor old Doris who’s 82 and her car is her only bit of freedom left now has to pay to drive 2 miles down the road to see her husband in his nursing home.

 

So if you pay the £12.50 every day to go to work as an example how dose that money help the air pollution?

 

If you're prepared to think the best of people it's a brave and principled stand by Khan because it could cost him re-election. An example of doing what you think is right, rather than what is personally advantageous?

 

Don't agree mate. You only have to read medical reports on child asthma and other lung conditions and see the correlation to traffic levels in the places where they live.

 

It's an incentive to change your behaviour. We're talking about London where clean and reliable public transport is second to none. There's no excuse for driving about in London in a 4x4 gas guzzler.

 

Yeah that's fair enough but if people have to pay the money and not just London, what do they use the money for?

 

Because no one in their right mind will do that (well, most people anyway) so they’ll drive less or take the £2000 and replace their car. Anyone who can afford to pay that will already have a car that passes or would be able to put it with the £2000 and get a decent one.

 

Hopefully to help fund the scrappage scheme, since the government has not chipped in.

 

Cheers.

 

Cheers.

 

The London money is being used for free school meals for kids. He can’t wave tenners at the sky and clean the air so anyone who’s looking for answers of the money itself reducing pollution will be disappointed. The fine is to discourage the behaviour, like all fines are. Speeding ticket fines don’t go towards slowing cars down, parking fines don’t go towards providing new car parks, it’s just to stop people doing the thing.

 

I could play the im alright jack card with having EVs. However i think the answer isnt all about punishment and fines. The problem is the UK government has to do more to push the EV agenda positively:-

- more EV infrastructure and fast chargers in the national network.
- discounts and incentives to switch to EV vehicles for everyone.
- Environmentally appropriate public transport that is affordable and even more so, reliable.

then having penalties can help too.

I remember working in China where the gov imposed limited licensing. Basically your car would only be registered to operate 3-4 days per week. It led to people registering 2 cars!!!

Many other non-UK cities are investing in environmentally friendly transport networks, way beyond what we see here which is primarily penalty driven.

 

Good post.

 

They’re not forcing people to get EVs though and London has an amazing transport network so I don’t think those points are relevant to ULEZ. They certainly are for the future banning of ICE cars across the country though.

 

I absolutely take your points.
My son and his partner live in Walthamstow. Public transport is second to none for getting about. Sometimes cramped but for me worth it.
But Thatcher changed all that for South Yorkshire where little old ladies without cars can't get free public transport maybe only once a week in some cases and have to pay for taxis. Or as you say. Get the car out if got one.

 

Another tax on working people. What if you can't afford to upgrade your vehicle but getting charged everyday for going to work. What is the tax going towards.