Klopp latest on disallowed goal

I generally think Klopp is a decent bloke.

He's gone all "Wednesday" here though & shown his arse badly.

Grow up.

One day we might get a penalty decision in our favour. Probably in the year 2030...

 

Can't have a replay because of a terrible Var decision. Can't. If they allow a replay for this then it will open the floodgates for continual 'we want a replay' comments from managers and pundits. Best thing is to scrap VAR altogether as it's just as making footy as contentious as before and it costs money. It also slows games down a tad. The fact that it costs money and has been invested in means it wont be scrapped though as the powers that be would then be admitting it was a mistake which they wont do.

 

But technically it wasn't was it? VAR approved the on field decision of offside. It might not have been what VAR intended to do but that's what happened as I understand it.

 

VAR Gives rubbish decisions all the time, you can't replay them all, same as when you look back at referee decisions that were proven to be garbage.
Regarding Klopp though how many times have they had dubious decisions given to them there, he never moaned then did he?

 

No I don't think it did. VAR did approve the on field decision, but the clowns operating it were under the impression that it was onside.

So they looked at the lines, saw it was onside and said "check complete". Then when they saw that Tottenham had taken a free kick and not a kick off, the penny dropped that they've made a balls of it.

The audio release of it is stunning in its incompetence.

 

But what I'm saying is that isn't unprecedented - a balls up by VAR that led to the wrong onfield decision being affirmed.

 

Should use VEET.

 

I don't think that's what happened is it? I took the audio as being everyone else in var except the Wednesday fan in charge knew that it was onside and that it meant to overrule the goal but the one person in charge didn't and wouldn't listen.

What I find absolutely astonishing is that even after the game kicked off again from a free kick Darren England was still absolutely oblivious to it. What the **** was he watching at that point? Strictly come dancing on catch up? Because he certainly wasn't looking at the football match or he'd have seen for himself that they were lining up for a free kick and intervened. Instead he didn't do anything until everyone else in var including the guy who's only there to operate the computer told him he'd ****** up.

 

Oh yes I agree - that bits not unprecedented. It's not the first **** up by VAR, and it won't be the last.

 

In this case. The Liverpool game. It's a simple change that is needed.

Get rid of the words "Check Complete"

And replace them with eg

Check complete confirmed decision is a goal
Check complete confirmed decision is offside
Etc

Add the actual decision onto the end....
Erm

The end

 

exactly right

 

It won’t be replayed but I think it should.

They knew almost instantly that the wrong decision was & did nothing about it.

It’s incomparable to other incidents where they found out later or ones that are still debatable.

I’d imagine a lot of peoples views on it would be different if it didn’t happen to a club they disliked. When it’s a Liverpool, Man Utd etc it brings out irrational views of people who don’t like them.

Mark Goldbridge explains it brilliantly here & he’s a Man Utd fan -

https://x.com/nocontextmarkg/status/1709646586073014556?s=46&t=jdjWt6ovz8X2RccU5EDkiQ

 

How far back do you go though? 1998 for a penalty against Man United?
Wembley? Then, assuming we won, do we re-start the season and everyone loses the three points they gained against Wednesday?

We can't do it- WE have to look at the mistakes and learn from them. We also have to treat VAR replays as if we'd seen it first and not over think things.

 

They need to do what they do with rugby,

Put the replays on the big screen (wouldn't work at Oakwell mind).

Then have ref and linos (or VAR ref to speed things up) discuss it as it is played on screen, talk about why the decision is being made and what the procedure is.

Two or three heads talking together will make it much less likely a bollock will be dropped and fans are kept in loop as to why the decision was made.

It's a grown up solution not all this hiding behind the tech and keeping it secret that currently happens.

 

They don't moan though do they when it's in THEIR FAVOUR, makes yer sick of football sometimes.

 

When he (Klopp) came into English football he was a breath of fresh air like Wenger was. Now result pressure has made him into a bitter bleating knob. Just like Wenger.

 

That’s the exact point he’s making. This isn’t a case of a genuine mistake. They knew instantly. He literally explains in the video why it’s nonsense to talk about other games been replayed that are honest mistakes

 

How do we, as fans, at the match, know what is an honest mistake and what isn't?

 

I like the term "honest mistake". It makes me think how many mistakes have they lied about?

 

It is a genuine mistake, it's just that the mistake was in the communication rather than the decision making. It's human error either way and I don't see why one genuine mistake justifies a replay but another doesn't.