Interesting electoral analysis

Agreed, maybe if the entire Labour party had actually backed their chosen leader in the 2017 election instead of undermining him, who knows?

 

So, is the answer to do the same next year, and see what damage the lunatics can do with another 5 years of power?

 

Electoral analysis is all well and good for seeing trends and likelihoods in voting intentions. Interesting academically. However what is really important is what a particular party does in power. If Labour win as looks likely what will a new Labour Government actually do? Start tackling real issues? Delivering more austerity? If people are getting co.ck-a-hoop at the prospect of a Labour Government I'd like to know what they base their excitement on. As I've said before, 'getting the Tories out' is meaningless if there's no real change. Where's the hope? Where's the intent? Where's the vision? If Labour do little to improve things that really matter the Tories will regroup and we'll have an even more nasty version back in in 5 years time. You heard it here first.

 

Sadly, this would be a very good point if we were looking at an election between Starmer and Cameron. Unfortunately, since the Brexit vote and particularly since Johnson became PM, we've had a Government that simply refuses to do any work. And the biggest meaningful change any party can bring is to be a party that is actually willing to govern do the work involved, rather than grandstanding and pandering to nutters on the fringes of the party.

The Rwanda policy is a prime example. Yvette Cooper was asked by a number of Tories what Labour's plan would be. The answer was simple, not spend upwards of half a billion pounds flying home secretaries to Rwanda while paying for hotels for refugees to stay in, and instead, actual have a functioning system to process the backlog of claims.

I'm getting increasingly irritated with Starmer. He's terrified of giving the Tories and the right wing press anything to use against him. And he's paralysing himself in the process and if he's not careful, will put off too many of his own voters. But I suspect when manifestos are released, the Labour one will be more aligned to what I'd want to see than the tories' by some distance, while not going as far as I'd like to see in an ideal world.

Ultimately, it will either be Labour or Conservative that form the next Government. Labour will at least form a functional one. Will they have the appetite for real change when it comes to fair distribution of wealth, political reform and renationalisation of public services. I'm not sure, but I'm certain that the tories will cause even more damage if given another 5 years.

 

My point was, if the party had all worked with Corbyn in 2017 he'd have won that election in my opinion. There is enough right wing media to battle without members of your own party undermining him.

 

This is the first time I've seen this. I'm so sorry, Stephen. Hopefully, you can move on. All the best, mate.
Kev

 

Cheers mate.

 

“Far Left”. Now come on. Your either being deliberately silly or you’re under the age of 20. If it’s neither of those two, then could you just set out three of those ‘far left’ policies, so that I can understand a little more?

 

No. Not a chance.

Sad thing is. I’m always right.

 

Wouldn't it be better to focus on why Labour's electoral prospects have been transformed under Starmer's leadership - and across many cross-sections of voters as outlined by Luke Tryl's analysis?

 

No problem with that. I think that’s been done in many threads on here previously. The conclusion is obviously very depressing though, at least to my mind - a substantial proportion of the English electorate like centre right, regressive Conservative policies.

I was simply questioning which of Labour’s policies under Corbyn could be described (in any seriousness) as ‘far left’. Just asking for some examples so that I could understand the point being made. IMO the policies in the Labour Party manifestos in 2017/2919 were no more than bog standard Social Democratic proposals - very reminiscent of those found in many other European countries. To my mind it shows how far England has swung to the right over the past 40 years that they could seriously be described as ‘Far Left’.

 

Absolutely no doubt about that. The reasons aren't difficult to find. Thatcher, Murdoch, Farage, Johnson. All fueled by the feral right wing media of Murdoch and others. Add in recession and stagnant growth, more or less unabated since 2007/8, which tends to cause people to seek scapegoats, turn inwards and look for easy (but false) solutions. Which gives you brexit, exploited by the far right to hoodwink the electorate. Johnson probably isn't so far to the right, but he's been happy to ride that tiger to get him into No.10, albeit briefly.

 

Quite possibly. I’ll still be surprised if Labour aren’t light years ahead of this current mob in terms of being a good Government though. We currently have a BNP Government with a conservative badge.