Disrespect of our Pensioner fan base

I can see you are beautiful too, from your avatar. "A Looker". Does that now discount me as a "Woke Snowflake"?

 

Hardly half mate unless you know summat I dont. New state pension if paid in full NI contributions is £221pw.
Season tickets oaps. £249 (£219 family stand) early bird.
If some paid their mortgages off after 15 yrs. (And generally 2 income households or lived at work) They are in the minority. Most took on 25yrs. Including yours truly.
I look at some of the young ones I used to work with. £50k with overtime. And not increased their pension above the minimal rate. Even though the company would match it to 10%. You would get 20% tax relief on your 10% in effect 8% out of your wages.
Not all can afford to do that I admit. But lots are taking a huge risk if they can.

I paid 8% in a final salary scheme to keep it afloat. Increased from 6%.
Those in Robert Maxwells pension scheme lost nearly everything.

 

This is pretty out of touch with the current state of the housing market. You say most took on 25 year mortgages as if it was difficult however your house will have cost about 50p and the cost is now such that the majority of first time buyer mortgages are over 30 years or longer. The reason that people don't increase their pension contribution is that between housing, the cost of living and wanting some form of joy in their day to day lives they simply can't afford to.

Everything comes back to property. Its value has increased at a rate far exceeding wages and it's utterly ******* younger people today with no resolution in sight.

 

Bang on.

If you look at the percentage rise is wages over the last 30 years and compare it to the percentage rise in property prices it's like comparing Lev Yashin with Vito Mannone.

 

Like i said in another thread,ive paid the top rate to watch us for 50 years either pay on the day or by season ticket,so to deny people like us a few quid off now we`re nearly dead seems a bit unfair.

 

Yes, spare a thought for us standing in the almost empty terraces, 2,000 strong crowds, sometimes below that. “Stars” like Harry Duerden, Willy Ferry, Barry Swallow, Bob Earnshaw et al, lighting up the turf with their silky skills. Roy Ironside in goal, sometimes keeping a clean sheet (honestly!)

Yes, that was our lot in the 1960s, but did we complain?? Course we did, but we didn’t know any better

 

Now putting sensible reasonable discussion points forward. That will never catch on.

 

For me its absolutely nothing to do with disrespect. It's a simple one which is that essentially if you offer a discount to anyone, whether thats a toddler or an OAP, then others are subsidising that discount because that's what it really comes down to, it isn't the club subsidising it, it's other fans.

And that brings us to the very simple question. Should fans subsidise discounts for people who need the discount or people who think they are entitled to a discount?

For me it's pretty simple, people who need them not people who have a sense of entitlement to them.

No discount for people 60-65. There's zero need for that. It's all about entitlement not need.

Discount for OAPs but nowhere near as much as the current level.

And the money saved from that redistributed to those in the most financially painful times of their lives. Younger people with absolutely sod all money to their name.

And no that doesn't include me so it isn't a selfish point of view, in fact as I'm pretty sure I've got more chance of getting older than I have of getting younger in the long term it will hurt me financially but it's the right thing to do. Remove the 60-65 discount that has no basis in need whatsoever and offer a sensible reduction to actual pensioners and a sensible reduction to people in their 20s or so who need help.

That's not disrespectful, it's just fairness.

 

agree with u state pension 220- half minimum wage and think how much a pensioner has contributed in tax and n/i in 50 years - as a pensioner consider this - rates 175 a month e/gas 275 a month half of pension gone on just 2 bills

 

Don’t know if I am reading this thread right or not. But surely people aren’t saying that pensioners shouldn’t get a discounted season ticket?

 

You've always been a woke snowflake!

 

we are all in it together ( unlike tories lol) -we all get older every day and should respect ALL B.F.C. SUPPORTERS

 

We were talking about how long we’ve been watching the reds en route to the game last night. 5 of us in the car ranging from my son whos 27 to my mate who’s late 60s

We all agreed that out of us all, my son had seen the most eventful times in the 21 years since I first took him, and my mate Tony, who’d watched us in the 60s and 70s witnessed some of the flattesttimes, especially when you add on the nothingness from Hunter to Danny Wilson V1, with the exception of the odd cup run.

By virtue of that, anyone whos currently an OAP absolutely deserves their discount.

 

I fully believe that pensioners are entitled to what they get, including OAP concessions. They've earned it and the cost of living is a scandal for pensioners at the moment.

My point was that simply being an OAP doesn't mean being hard up compared to the average working age person like it used to. There are lots of OAPs with healthy private pensions and no mortgages, which was what I was getting at in the post.

 

And "gammons", don't forget "gammons".

 

There’s also pensioners who can’t afford fff all mate

 

And no politicians of any persuacsion have the slightest intetest in changing things.

 

HANG ON i-s the ground full every week -if pensioners cant afford the full payment how about BFC PROVIDING A DISCOUNT ON SEASON TICKET HOLDERS AFTER SAY 30+ YEARS OF SEASON TICKET CONTRIBUTIONS ON A SLIDING SCALE . WE JUST DONT BUY SEASON TICKETS - PARKING, DRINKS. THE SHOP. TRAVELLING COSTS. DIDN'T BFC AT ONE TIME OFFER DISCOUNTS TO UNEMPLOYED ATBONE TIME./

 

Way some folk talk on here we will finish up ‘means testing ‘ older end, ffs Berra grip