Why is it, when we win the board and Collins are great but…….

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  1. jud

    judith charmers Well-Known Member

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    If we don’t win (don’t lose very often) then Collins needs sacking and the board are clueless?

    You can’t have it both ways……..

    Most on here and in the stands who are moaning over the last 2 home games, and somewhat rightly so are the same crew who said we’d struggle this season and maybe be in a relegation scrap…….we’re on course for another crack at the playoffs, we’re not out of the top 2 race and the owners appear to have stabilised the finances at the club, I more than anyone would love us to be in the championship but right now this era of BFC have found ourselves a top end league 1 club for the time being……..

    There’ll be a lot of lads on here who’s watched us long enough to see us when we were really **** in the basement league in the 70’s!!

    Footballs never black and white…….highs and lo’s will take place in football forever!
     
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    I think it’s just a vocal minority mate
     
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    judith charmers Well-Known Member

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    Lads on our WhatsApp groups are shocking…….if we’ve not scored 5 then we’re crap!!

    I honestly think some fans are a bit ‘Wednesday-fied’ saying ‘we should be battering teams like this’
     
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    The thing is there’s a small minority who only come out to play when we’ve dropped points.
     
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    Think it's only on here with the extremes, nobody was calling for his head sat around me at the game. I was sat behind Earls parents, his dad gets well into the games.
     
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    To be fair I haven’t rated the board or the manager whatever the result :D
     
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    Tbf even when we have won a lot of games its been onvious we could have wuite easile been hammered the other way.

    the lincoln result had been coming.

    luckily the quality in the league is low. We wouldnt get away with higher up the leagues.
     
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    I’ve criticised the approach to games and performances even in victory.

    My posts this week make little reference to yesterday’s result.

    To me it is clear there are issues which haven’t been addressed and that continuing as we are is doomed to failure.

    I don’t necessarily mind being in league one, generally we are a much better side at this level. I always want to be promoted - but this has been for me. almost as bad a season to watch as a spectator at Oakwell than any relegation season I’ve witnessed, the first one being 97/98 and every one since.

    We’ve got results, not enough of them at home but still won more than we’ve lost just about - but at times it has been hard to see how and why.

    There have been some good performances and some games with good patches. Though I’d argue our record is as much due to the fact we have better players than our opposition most weeks than it is how they are coached and setup. What does Collins add? What is his ethos?

    What has he changed during a game that has improved anything?

    What evidence do we have that the board, who have said a lot of the right things, are going to improve anything in the squad and field? Perhaps the signings of Earl and Grant, football league players with game experience, is a start. We can’t expect to recruit from the higher leagues all the time but we can’t keep looking in the national league and lower.

    I’m not advocating constant changes in coaching personnel and I’m certainly not asking to spend what we don’t have on the playing squad. I accept we need to sell players to stay solvent. But I am suggesting the money we do have could be used more efficiently and effectively. One player of decent quality (and a record to back it) where we need them, rather than three or four punts like shaw and Dallas - or the signing of people like Max Watters on decent money when we had in person evidence of his limitations; and arguably even Cosgrove, who has shown some improvement in recent weeks, when nobody else at our level showed much interest. There is a blueprint at other clubs. I’m not demanding championship football or marquee signings.

    I’m suggesting we accept this approach hasn’t worked from a footballing point of view - and looking at the latest books, hasnt worked in other regards either.
     
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    No way has this season been as bad as a relegation season, Have you lost your memory mate
     
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    By and large we play very dull football whether we win or not.

    I don’t think Collins is the man for us but he deserves our full support until the end of the season when we can reassess things. We have heavily relied on moments of individual brilliance from players who are better than the opposition rather than any plan from the manager who generally makes things worse when he tinkers.

    As for the board again I don’t see them as the enemy nor am I shouting for them to go but the incompetence of things like our dismissal from the FA Cup can’t be shrugged off.
     
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    Khaled as gone and the club's management restructured so hopefully the incompetence issues will have been addressed.
     
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    it runs deeper than one person. We have been poorly governed for several years. It’s not like Khalid would be micro managing eligibility for competitions.

    I literally cannot remember when I thought we were a well run family club. Probably back to pre on digital John Dennis times.
     
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    In terms of excitement, entertainment, front foot football: in terms of how much I look forward to going to games - last season reignited the enthusiasm the previous season under Schopp and Asbaghi had quashed: this season it has been drained out of me just as much.

    The atmosphere at games is getting worse, at times toxic.

    It isn’t just results, in fact it’s not really results at all. It’s how drab and uninspiring it all is.

    And whilst the club, the manager and half the fan base keep telling us this is all we can expect, it won’t change.

    I’m in for life, I’ll be here next season regardless. But how many new fans will be attracted? How much buzz is there around town? How much word of mouth is going to bring a few more down?

    It’s dull as dishwater and the club is going to become stagnant if it carries on. Going up might be the only thing that ensures as many st sales next season as this. If we stay down - and let’s face it the playoffs are a lottery and I wouldn’t make us favourites - and retain the same coach, there will be a lot that don’t renew.

    There will also be a lot like me who do as they would likely do so regardless. But we can’t just be taken for granted by the club.
     
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    So what's your point??
     
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    Didn't mean to suggest it was all Khaled but he was part of the problem. Club management as been restructured so we will have to wait while it all beds in.
     
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    Brian Mahoneys Waist Well-Known Member

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    I think regarding "What does Collins add" I would suggest a winning culture.
     
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    That’s fair. At the moment I haven’t seen any sign of improvement but let’s hope it comes and comes soon.
     
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    Has he?

    We’ve failed to win 55% of our home games this season.

    Furthermore his teams don’t look like they’re breaking their necks to get over the line.

    I’m not so sure there’s any winning culture at all.
     
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    Not so sure about this myself. All subjective of course, but if I think about the last 4 games: -

    Bolton - cruising at 2-0 up then stopped playing. Invited pressure for 50 minutes and finished with a very lucky point in the end
    Lincoln - utter humiliation. one of the most gutless performances I've seen for a long time
    Carlisle - one of the poorest teams we will play, had to come from a goal down and a very nervy last 5 mins, after gifting them a 2nd
    Cheltenham - failed to break down one of the poorest teams to come to Oakwell this season

    At the business end of the season, I don't personally think the last 4 games have demonstrated a winning culture.
     
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    We have only lost 7, only Portsmouth better us with 4 defeats. Too many massive clones on here these days.
     
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