Stupid Brexit question

The last MEP elections were also seen as a vote for Brexit too. IIRC UKIP did well in that election and was taken as a mandate.

 

They wouldn't say no but might insist on us having to use the euro.And we certainly won't get back the veto rights we had.

 

The likes of Farage, Johnson, Gove, that man from the 18th century, Hoye, and many more should be tried for crimes against humanity

 

They would insist on the Euro - although Denmark, Sweden and 6 others aren't at the moment - but it depends on our currency meeting certain requirements. It is possible to keep missing those targets indefinitely...

I suspect we'd also be pulled into Schengen (with Ireland) to make it much harder to leave again.

 

He looks like what you'd get if Max and Paddy reproduced.

 

We wouldn't get the rebates we had either. On the Euro question, they say that adopting the currency is mandatory but there are quite a few recently joined countries that have still not because of "Economic factors" or summat. I think when we do rejoin (which we will) we will be able to hang on to the £ indefinitely.

These countries don't use the Euro; Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Sweden. Hungary joined in 2003, ie after the Euro was introduced....

 

No way we'll be back in the EU anytime soon. We might have a proper trade deal though, without these flag waving idiots in charge.

I'm still waiting to see the money for the NHS Boris promised, as far as I can see the whole infrastructure of the UK is on it's arse. I want the Tories out & finished. I am in favour of PR & always have been. First past the post is pretty much a UK / US thing now, for all the wrong reasons. Why can't we have a parliament that reflects people's votes, like most modern democracies? Madness that Labour are not supporting it IMO. I'll still be voting Labour, based on the first paragraph. Trying to tour music in the EU, is a minefield, before we go into all the other industries that are hamstrung that I'm not a part of.

 

I'll be the uber negative one and state there might not be an EU to rejoin when we decide to do so.

Sovereign debt, far right/facism, war in Europe or a combination of all 3 and/or other factors - could cause the Union to implode. Fingers crossed it doesn't as I think it does more good than bad.

On the otherhand, there is a train of thought that we'll go running back to the EU with our tail between our legs if Trump gets in and goes batsh*t protectionist and decides to withdrawal from NATO.

Welcome to the bonkersverse

 

I'm 48. Sadly, I doubt we'll rejoin the EU during my lifetime.

 

All three things you mention about the EU are happening here too, in far more extremes. One of the biggest a jokes was people voting to leave the EU because it was too “far right” whilst s as lei voting UKIP/Reform/Tory!

 

Don't be utterly ridiculous. I'm as pro Europe as anyone but to suggest the UK has a 'worse' provlem than Southern Europe because of far right fascism is ridiculous. Hate the Tories all you like but they're not far right by any reasonable definition.

 

Not yet they're not, TM. But if you breach international treaties to try and give life to your ridiculous token anti-immigration policy, what's that? If you unlawfully stand down your elected parliament, unlawfully invoking Royal Prerogative, what's that? If you pass a law that specifically overrules a finding of fact by the highest court in the land, what's that? Or if you call those judges "enemies of the people" because their carefully-considered legal opinion doesn't come down in your favour? And if you pass draconian laws to outlaw protest by the 'wrong' groups of protesters, how about that one? And if you egg on thugs pretending to 'guard' the War Memorial? We're probably never going to see blackshirts parading down Whitehall again, but it would be wrong to ignore these signs of a creeping tyranny by this desperate morally-bankrupt government. That's why it is so important they are ousted at the first opportunity.

 

DOn't disagree with any of that. But most of the things you're talking about, with the exception of the anti-immigration policy (at a time when immigration is at its highest in modern history) are about being undemocratic and unconstitutional, not being far-right. The trouble is though, that if you don't like how unconstitutional and undemocratic the UK government has become - and it's reasonable not to - you really won't enjoy the findings of the German Constitutional Court around the democratic legitimacy of the European Parliament.

The UK is still better off in the EU, as it always has been. But it's crazy to see the EU as some kind of panacea and brush over the problems that many of its countries have with TRUE far-right fascism and a structure that at its heart has a problematic democratic deficit.