When Is A Derby Not A Derby?

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  1. arabian_ian

    arabian_ian Well-Known Member

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    SSN going on about Liverpool/Man U being the most important derby in the country.
    I always thought Liverpool’s derby was v Everton. And Man U v Man C was the derby.
    Can anyone enlighten me?
    Seems like saying Barnsley’s Derby is v Burnley as they sound like each other.
     
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    For a derby you've to be from the same county. Ipswich and Norwich think they play a derby.
     
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    arabian_ian Well-Known Member

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    I might be wrong here but I believe I once heard that Crystal Palace and Brighton is some sort of Derby. Are they in the same county?
     
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    No that's hated that goes back a few decades. They see it as the Gull derby because it's Seagulls vs Eagles.
     
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    The M23 Derby
     
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    arabian_ian Well-Known Member

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    Yes you are right mate. Just heard that their derby yesterday is known as the Old Farm Derby.
    Bit silly really
     
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    Of course it's a Derby, fiercely contested for decades as is Forest v Derby.
     
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    40+ miles apart

    South Wales derby

    The South Wales derby is a local derby between Welsh association football clubs Cardiff City and Swansea City. Bluebirds v Swans (or Jacks.)

    The fixture has been described by The Independent as one of the fiercest rivalries in British football.
    Tidy!
     
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    I don't think County has a bearing on it tbf.. Ipswich and Norwich are only 40 miles apart with no other similar clubs between them... rather like Newcastle and Sunderland.
     
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    The most competitive matches in any league are often 'Derby' matches. A 'derby' is a match between local rivals. i.e. teams that are from the same city or the same part of the country. These local games have a special place in the hearts of fans and players.

    Barnsley v Huddersfied is classed as a Derby. Local rivals. As near as Donny.
    Norwich v Ipswich same part of country.
    Closest other league club to Norwich = Ipswich
    Closest to Ipswich. = Colchester. (Essex) Hardly local rivals.

    By your reckoning (same county) neither (Norfolk v Suffolk) would play a Derby.

    Liverpool v man utd. Is quite local and given a lot of
    Rivalry re history. As in top dogs. Also known as a North west Derby.
     
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    Googled 'em. Portman Rd to Carrow Road 45 miles. Portman Rd to Colchester ground 16.2 miles away. Portman Rd to Southend United ground 40 miles
     
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    Tannadice to Dens 89 steps
     
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    Hardly rivals though mate. I think that's the point being made.
     
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    Not many more between Meadow Lane and City Ground. Yet if you asked Forest fans who they would rather beat, Notts or Derby, the vast majority would instantly reply, Derby.
     
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    Are those your steps Ian. Or Peter Crouch's :)
     
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    The thread is titled when is a derby not a derby? Rivals not mentioned in the original post.
     
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    Explanation of the term Derby is though mate. It's not straightforward I admit. The first paragraph of my first post. Is what I picked up on an explanation on Google. not summat I thought of myself, I just copied it.

    Based purely on mileage of nearest, it would be Rotherham and/or Wendy for us.
     
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    I'd say the vast majority of fixtures quoted above are widely considered as derbies.
     
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    A derby is between local teams, what they're getting it confused with is a rivalry.
     
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