Collins quote from Chron Article

I can't believe how irritated it's made me feel to read that quote. They weren't out of contract during the game, Neill. They were being paid to do a job, like the rest of you, and as has been the case recently, not many of the squad are doing their jobs adequately at the moment.

If your attitude to the players that you manage is that it's nice of some of them to do you a favour because they're not quite out of contract yet, then I seriously have to question how effective you are at managing subordinates.

One of my biggest concerns about Collins is his lack of apparent gravitas for a role that requires it. Reading Doug's update has, if anything, increased those concerns, and that comment is at the centre of it.

 

But isn't this the ethos the club has encouraged with it's revolving door for players and coaches?

 

Not at all. Players are under contract until the point where they're not under contract.

This is the first evidence I've seen that a head coach seems to think differently about that. Schopp and Asbaghi were far more incompetent than Collins as coaches, but they were equally inadequate with each player in the squad as far as I could see, rather than viewing some as special cases because of their contract status.

 

Where can I find dougs report please

 

But weren't Michael Duff and Liam Kitching still in contract, to name but two?

It seems to me that we have encouraged the notion that we are a stepping-stone.

 

You do realise he’s been asked a specific question about them been out of contract? He’s not just randomly referring to it.

It’s not like he’s completely unprompted gone ‘all the lads who are out of contract are trying which is good to see’.

 

https://www.barnsleychronicle.com/a...good-enough-as-reds-look-to-secure-top-6-spot

 

There has been speculation on here that players have downed tools. A journalist has asked a question about player performance, and the manager has affirmed that the players are all realy committed. There is nothing to get upset about.

 

But he mentions immediately beforehand that the out of contract players have been mainstays in the team, and then specifically references two of them who were dropped from the starting line up, which seems to confirm the thoughts expressed by others that their exclusion from the starting line up is a much related to being out of contract as it is to being out of form.

The transfer window is closed, we're supposedly in a promotion fight (although playing like we're trying to avoid it, currently) and all the players available for selection are contracted to the club for the remaining games of the season. The only tangible benefit to an out of contract or loan player is to put themselves in the shop window by their performances on the pitch, if selected. Collins' comments suggest that he's factoring contract status into his team selections, at a time when he's struggling to find a settled starting XI to win a game.

 

In the real world mate.. if Cole and Kane know already where they'll be playing next season on how much and length of contract. all they'll be doing is waiting to go..
Both players won't risk scuppering any deals through injury here in the last 4-7 games..
The only one who looks like he's off too and still putting a shift in is Williams..

 

Most players when they retire will deem how successful they have been on their bank accounts not promotions won. For example if Cole currently has a 10k a week four year contract on the table to take him to 33 years old that's worth a couple of million before tax and will have clauses in for appearances, goals, assists etc. It will be far the biggest contract of his career and the last chance at his age to set himself up for life really comfortably from his playing days.

Do you think he's likely to go all out trying his best for hopefully seven more games, risking an injury that might take that contract off the table? Same for the others who long since downed tools in the same boat like Williams, Kane and Cadden.

 

Your on the money there regarding stepping stone.
Has felt on some past transfers we've been happy to pack there bags and wave them off accepting lower fees than we ought to have got

 

That’s exactly how I see it, damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

 

If that's the case, and both players are not being treated differently because of their contracts, who in their right mind starts Russell ahead of Kane and Cosgrove ahead of Cole? Mental.

 

Russell came in the side and did ok in my opinion and Collins thought he deserved to keep his place, that’s not mental. Cole’s form is suffering at the moment, and potentially Cosgrove gives us something different anyway. Perhaps it hasn’t worked out as Collins or fans have wanted, but he has tried something different, (at least in personnel) which is something he is regularly accused of not doing.

 

What answer would you expect him to give? Something along the lines of 'I can't command the dressing room effectively, and the team setup is a mess with nobody trying because they are out of contract'? He is bound to say all is rosey in the garden, yet seemingly the team when on the pitch are operating at 50%.

 

Let's think about this logically. What would be the reasoning behind dropping players for the sole reason that they're out of contract in the summer? There isn't any, so it isn't happening. If they are getting dropped it will be because they are lacking commitment/effort either due to laziness or wanting to avoid injury.

 

Not sure what else you expect him to say. Kane and Cole are leaving in two months and that's their priority now. Does anyone put in 100% effort whilst working their notice period?

 

Depends if i've already signed a contract at the new place or not.