over 65s

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  1. man

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    there seems to be a lot of crtical comments about us on here. I well over 65.and started work in 1966 until 1994 when had to stop working due to ill health. I did not vote for brexit!!!. Paid full tax and n.i and contributions always voted labour, hate the cons.Fortunately, i have a coal mine pension- however if i didnt have this -i would not be able to afford to live where i live now-f.y.i. state pension is half the minimum wage. total outgiong bills on gas/electric, rates, water rates. etc well exceed my state pension and i am an ex miner. My c.b penssion has now dropped £40 per month after increases to state pension- which is less than the state pension Increase for this year!!! all billls increased by at least 10% except gas/electric which is still double what a paid 3years ago
    I well Remember under thatcher, my mortgage doubled from 56 to £120 p.m and was on £35per week so dont you think it has been easy for working classes of this period
    I am not complaining- far from it -without nhs i woud not be here-one thing is certain we all get older and will if 'lucky reach pension age - if there is one-ASK your grandparents what they think - it may surprise you.
     
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    Tories are trying to continue to divide society. Young uns complaining at pensioners getting something they aren't. Pensioners didn't ask for it.
     
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    I certainly dont blame any generation for anything. Societies are very complex and there's a whole host of reasons why things turn out like they do for certain groups. No point being resentful or bitter at all. If one wants everyone to live in a decent society I would suggest doing one's best to make sure the Tories never get into power again.....
     
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    100% spot on .
    Divide and Conquer that's their motto.
    Unity is strength
     
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    Instagram drives me nuts. I'm currently blocking every post that comes up about gen x, gen z, millennials, boomers etc. It's pathetic. What defines someone is what kind of person they are not what year they were born in.
     
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    It's a shame people generalise, but it's a natural human trait I guess, that exists in all of us. If you look at voting data, there's clearly a larger right-wing demographic in the +50s. The Tories are going after this, whether it's pension reform (even though they froze the threshold in the first place), Rishi going green bowling or the ridiculous National Service plan. There's also clear data to suggest the same demographic got Brexit over the line. The same demographic is also prevalent in the shift to Reform.

    So while it's obviously untrue to say 'all boomers are wrecking our future', you can definitely see how they have contributed to this, and where the right-wing battlegrounds are forming for 50+
     
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    I'd argue that the far right are prevalent in the 18-45 age group.
     
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    Yer know what that requires! :D:D:D
     
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    Tsk!!
     
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    There is a worrying trend to the right in younger *men*, but women seem less attracted. One possible reason is the rise of "influencers" like Andrew Tate who peddling their toxic masculinity to anyone who'll listen.
    This is quite interesting:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eur...s-far-right-politics-eu-elections-parliament/
     
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    There's pockets, but in terms of general trends, older demographics are far more likely to vote right wing than younger ones.
     
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    Not far right.
     
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    Maybe. I did say right though, not far right.
     
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    You did. Just pointing out that us boomers are a lot less threatening....
     
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    The thing is though Marc that inevitably some of the current left of centre firebrand who detest boomers will move to the right and become more reactionary with age. I grew up in an era of Woodstock, flower power, militant students etc. If they had all retained their political ideals the Tories and other right wing parties would be long dead by now.
     
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    In my youth I was branded Marxist and advised to f*ck off to Russia. Now I offer that same advice to Tories....
     
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    Tbh it bugs me why you can’t have an opinion on things without being shoved in a particular‘camp’ I have different opinions on things depending on varying situations
     
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    This division of youth Vs old is just another step in the Tories route towards identity politics being their big winner. There's flirting with far right and far right idiots across all demographics, I see it every day in the data that crosses my work desk.

    The older generation does have more of a tendency to vote in larger numbers historically and the younger generation seem to either vote for progressive small parties/independents with left wing policies that has previously lost labour seats. Current trends seem to suggest that the winner for labour is convincing the young generation that their vote matters in finally kicking the Tories out and those 18-24 year olds that voted 5 years ago have finally felt the pinch of adult life under a Tory government and realised that we live in a 2 party nation with no viable 3rd option and just the illusion of choice.

    +65 Tory voters tend to center around more affluent areas but the majority of +65 labour voters are spread across more working class poorer communities so rely on the younger generation to get those votes across the line. The key really for those older voters is to convince their kids and grandkids that labour is the only choice to get rid of the Tories.
     
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    Doesn't seem to be happening any more, if you look at the polling!

    I sometimes wonder if it will once my generation starts to inherit property (because capital is the actual signifier, rather than age), but my friends and I are likely to be in or around our 60s or 70s if and when that happens - and hopefully much older! I'm still not sure it'll make much of a difference overall. Tories are on borrowed time for me unless they change something big.
     

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