Why do some players just not like being at Barnsley?

Kane being the most recent example. I was a fan but I think I (we) liked him more than the other way round.
He had an affinity with Oxford, loved Liverpool, mentioned Bristol on occasion and looks ecstatic to be wearing the dog botherers shirt, but it was abundantly clear he wasn't 100% happy at Barnsley.

But he's not the only one, by far. Woodrow liked us once upon a time but in the end looked like he hated it. Carlton Morris, Dawson / Shea and many others who have had spats, aired grievances, looked miserable, moved on without even a goodbye.

It's hard to analyse, but:

Salaries? We aren't big payers but they know what they are signing up for.

Atmosphere? Oakwell can be a bit dead but we generally support good times.

Social media? It can be toxic, but that isn't unique to us.

Player / manager turnover? We haven't been the most stable club in recent times.

Ownership? Ditto, unstable in recent times but also outspoken, thrifty, lacking ambition? Unable or unwilling to move the club forward?

Leadership? CEO, DoF etc. See above.

The town? Not exactly London or Manchester for the modern 'City living' experience. But ...... commutable and lovely surroundings.

The stadium / offices / facilities? Is it really more of a Netto experience for the players as opposed to a Waitrose one? Is it really that dull and small-minded it makes a difference?

The fanbase / fans? I've long believed we can be a vocal bunch and poisonous at times. Add the match day experience and the small mindedness negativity of some, and small town, antisocial behaviour of others (*SOME* Ponty dwellers). Given that the core fanbase is on the smaller side, does that make the negativity more 'intimate' and less likely to be hidden away? FWIW I have also long believed we have one of the best followings when everything clicks and that includes home and away followings where that same intimacy is obvious but for more positive reasons .

Thoughts?

 

Ask Conor Chaplin

 

All of the above. I think you've answered the question in the post. It's the clubs and more importantly lack of ambition from the fans that's the main problem. It's why I don't attend as much as I'd like. Fans too accepting of things for too long and because things have nose dived this last few years they've rediscovered their mojo and started asking questions they should have been asking years ago. However, it's too late now because the profile of the club as a whole has been reversed.

 

I'm pretty sure that money is the main priority for most footballers. They will go where they can get most of it.

 

The club might be able to pay them what they want in the short term. However, a lot of the players have cited ambition as a big part of the problem. Money does talk but players like Butterfield have hung about in the past to see what the transfer activity would be before making a final decision to leave.

 

Dean Burton.

 

Number of reasons like the ones you mention.

But for all those that seem to not like it, you have many that do love it here like Conor, Mads, Hammill etc. Everyone is different and will have different likes/wants etc. I for one am not interested in those that do not enjoy it here, that is their own opion, I want to focus on those that do want to be here playing for this club that we all on here love.

 

We pay shîté wages comparatively. End of.

 

I’d say the three best examples are Ronnie Glavin, Bobby Hassell and Bruce Dyer. All stayed here and live in the Barnsley boundaries.

 

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Because they're treated as nothing more than commodoties' they are human beings and should be treated as such and valued as employees of the club' that is the one thing that seriously needs to change ' loyalty and respect cuts both ways and in recent years our board has shown precious little of either.

 

Ronnie Glavin,Les Lea,Alister Miller,John Peachy,Peter Price,Bobby Hassell,Martin Deveany,etc etc.

 

Maybe we don't pamper them as much as other clubs?

 

Disco deserves a mention for loyalty and an affinity to the town

 

Yes, on the flip side
Also see Bobby H, Adam H, Bruce D

 

I'd say given the absolutely huge turnover of players we've had over the last, what 10-15 years in particular, you'll find some who will have loved their time at Oakwell and some who will have hated it.

There are so many factors in play, whether we were doing well or not, the terms they were on, the dialogue they had about new contracts or not, whether we blocked a move, whether they were blocked in their progress with us, whether they were played how they preferred and in a position that suited, if they clicked with whatever coaches we had at that time and if they liked the transitions between coaches, as frequent as they were.

You've also individual characteristics and personality traits. We're dealing with young inexperienced lads who might be moving away from their known area of friends and support network for the first time. Some will relish that, others may find it daunting. Some may struggle with the environment. Some may get early criticism and feel intimidated. Others may knuckle down and turn things round.

Some may wish they were in different areas of the country. Some might just see it as nothing but a stepping stone and not feel they want to bother rooting themselves.

If anyone had the time or inclination, it would be interesting to see just how many players we've gone through since Cryne started his experiment and how many of those people would consider enjoyed their time here and how many didn't.

 

Hourihane, Hammill, Stones there's loads and loads of players speak fondly of the club, the staff, the town and the fans, many have stated happiest time of their careers.

Every club gets players that just want out for a variety of reasons, from personal circumstances needing to be closer to home, financial motivations, not getting a game, not seeing eye to eye with managers or it just doesn't work out.

I don't think Herbie was a bad player but he's not irreplaceable, he got some stick at times and appeared to get the hump in moments.

Chapter closed I'm sure he'll look back in time at playing in the championship and 2 playoff campaigns with a Wembley appearance, good luck to him grass ain't always greener we've seen it before with players never beating the high points of their time with us.

 

erm...because, in recent years, we've been a very poor mismanaged Club, on and off the field. Those things don't go unnoticed in the game.

 

Steve Foster. Just to add another name that stayed with us (and still does).

 

Most players last between 1 and 3 years at a club.Some move on because they're not good enough some leave because the grass is greener evidently and some go to to so called bigger clubs and we get some money to reinvest.
I would say we drop in the average club rota where players will always come and go,no different to nearly every other club really.

 

Well, it's nowt to do with us the fans. We're totally supportive, never create scapegoats or mistrust. I'm sure players would read this forum and think..."that's the club for me".....