Anyone else seen the alternative angle of the police airport incident?

Well I do care what happened before and most people do behave like a ******** and assault police, women police for that matter not much sympathy from me deserve all you get.

 

It can apparently take only a few seconds for a grown man to shake off the effects of being tasered. The guy in the grey top was tasered and it didn't seem to even affect him. The Police officers had to control the situation and bring it to an end, they had very little time, the officer in question had taken 10 punches to the head - geez, he may have made the wrong call but given the circumstances, I'd be fuming if he gets the sack.

"Right, for 30k a year, we want you to know that you may have to take multiple punches to the head, but you must come out on top of the situation. But be aware, your every action will be filmed by someone, and if you step out of line whilst making sure you come out on top of every situation, even after taking a beating, you'll be sacked. Got it?"

Fk me - who'd be a police officer these days.

 

Yep you've only got to look at the prison system can't get enough screws the police Will end up the same.

 

In the nicest possible way could I punch you 10 times in the face and then see if you would behave how you expect someone else in a split second?

 

Don't think he's an on duty copper, so it's not a valid comparison.

 

Well you "wouldn't have wanted me in the trenches with you" because I'd be soft on a scrote throwing punches in an airport in your opinion. That's pretty clear context.

To be honest I'm just grateful of your service for our country and freedom. That must make you at least 97 years old? Assuming the trenches you served in were WW2? Very good on the internet for someone of your age group too. If a little foul mouthed at times.

 

Truth is mate that in law it probably is irrelevant but isn't that where the problem lies.

 

China is an interesting example - have you been? I was in Shanghai for a while - population of 24 million. Did I see any litter? Any graffiti, any p1ssed up idiots, anyone leering at girls or causes trouble on the underground? Any hassle anywhere off anyone ever? No. Did I see people going about their business without any trouble from the authorities? Yes. You see the thing is, we worry about the human rights of scumbags that we forget the human rights of people wanting to live their lives. The very idea of human rights is a western concept wedded on the triumph of the individual over the collective good. Which is better? Is it worth giving up some freedoms in order to be safe and be able to live your life without much practical fear of crime? It’s not as clear cut as I suspect you think. Look at El Savador - went from being the most dangerous country in the western hemisphere to being the safest in 2 years. How? Because the president locked up all the gang members. Did he infringe on the rights of those gang members, most likely. Has he made it safe for families to bring up their children without fear of being murdered my narco-death squads? Yes. Do you think the good citizens of El Salvador shed a tear for the gang bangers in jail and their human rights? I doubt it.

 

Correct but it's hardly showing self restraint either.

 

I reckon all do gooders should become coppers and maybe @mansfield red try his hand at being a Special Constabulary to start with ha

 

Because the copper wasn’t being attacked by a kid in a classroom, he was being attacked by multiple men in an airport who could have taken his gun if he’d lost.

 

Who are these "do gooders"?

Are they those who are saying that the bloke should be punished to the full account of the law for attacking the police? But also that the policeman should be disciplined too.

Those "do gooders"?

 

Wondering when you’d pipe up..... forget it mate, I can’t be bothered, but if you wanna stick up for them who attacked the police fair does

 

On duty copper or not still human. You go assaulting people don't cry when you get a few back saw their solicitor saying how traumatised and scared of the police they were before the clip of what actually happened came out and the pair at the side of him looking sheepish. Wasn't scared of police when they were throwing punches.

 

Nobody is sticking up for them. You've been told this time and again in this thread. I've literally shouted it in capital letters about 10 posts back. Please read what other people actually write - instead of what you want to read.

The aggressor should be punished to the full extent of the law. I've said it again. Nobody is sticking up for him.

It's just that the policeman should be disciplined too for booting him full in the kite.

That's it.

 

Too right mate, and we all okay with the policeman being being suspended but initial culprits walking about free men , how the foook has the bloke that assaulted 4 police officers not been locked up?.....

 

You should get punished to the full extent of the law for abhorrent behaviour.

I genuinely don't know what else you want me to say. Nobody is defending him. Literally nobody.

 

It's a fair argument. But the China model only works if you give up a lot more that just power to police. And the only way you get that power back is through bloody revolution. You give up democracy. In those scenarios you rely heavily on the malevolent nature of the dictator.

And as for el Salvador.. can you say for certain that everyone locked up was a gang member or deserved to be locked up? Can anyone with no due process? That many good people weren't locked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Is that kinda societal sacrifice worth it? I dunno. I do see your point though.

In the end I'm still not comfortable with seeing someone kicked in the head that hard and in that situation. It's classed as lethal force for a reason.
Perhaps it is ironic that if,while he had been swinging, if they pulled their guns, warned him and shot him... I would have seen that as much fairer.

It's not about whether he 'deserved it'. It's clear from the mixed response on here that it's impossible to clarify that fact. I don't know whether he should be fired or not but there needs to be consequences for that kind of action in my opinion.. and no amount of people calling me soft will change that.

 

I’ve been told?.....oh right ha, sorry

 

It very much depends on what you mean by "disciplined".

If you mean a couple of days of retraining, fair enough.

If you mean sacked, or even prosecuted, given the circumstances, absolutely not.