Angela Carini

I'm pretty appalled at this. It's just not right.

If people want to change gender, that's fine, each to their own, but this is grossly unfair.

EDIT: NOT transgender. Apologies for not fact checking before posting

https://x.com/brandubh4/status/1818964133770838284

 

I'm not totally up to date but isn't this a "Caster Semenya" thing, not a transgender thing?

 

It will keep happening until women refuse to participate

 

There is a lot like this going on. Look at Deta Hedman in the Darts. She quite rightly refuses point blank to play biological males in female events so quits.

 

Clearly a complex issue. No clarity about her birth gender. But excessive testosterone level plus a worrying number of videos from previous bouts which look very 1 sided in terms of power.

First and foremost I would suggest the suggestion there is a safety issue needs to be investigated in depth.

 

You may be right to be honest mate .......... I was going with the comments (and not least 'her' appearance).

Seemingly failed a couple of gender tests though and as others have said has some extremely powerful previous performances.

Fair play to the Italian for putting safety first.

 

To be clear, Imane didn’t change gender. It should never have been allowed though.

 

Just to clarify, this is not an individual who has 'changed gender' as Andy said, but this issue is simple.

This individual, along with one other, failed testing by the IOC and was defjned as XY but was allowed to compete anyway. Women don’t have testosterone in the male range unless they are doping, seriously ill or actually male. Healthy male and female testosterone ranges are statistically non-overlapping.

This isn't a political issue, it's a basic commonsense and safety issue.

 

Hasn't changed gender, but when DNA tested had both X&Y chromosomes....there is another boxer from Taiwan?..also in the competition.

 

Agreed.

 

Agreed. Edited.

 

Poly-cystic ovary syndrome can cause elevated testosterone levels in the lower male range. This is fairly common among women - affecting 7-13% of all women and up to 70% of cases are undiagnosed.

 

Caster Semenya is intersex - externally female with undescended testes and no uterus or fallopian tubes.

Last I heard, she can compete as a woman at any event except the ones she competes at (400m-1500m) - and she has to compete as a male in those events.

 

Yes, as i said, unless they are ill. If you're interested in this it's worth reading some of David Handelsman's stuff or Testosterone by Carole Hooven.

 

Having PCOS doesn’t make you ‘seriously ill’. It can potentially cause some complications when older.

 

PCOS isn't an illness. Its a disorder - it doesn't have a known cause (whereas as disease or illness will have a known cause).

 

PCOS might not make you seriously ill, but you can bet your life that a woman being punched by a man certainly will.
I can't believe this was allowed to happen.

 

Khelif was never ‘deemed male’ by the IBA or anyone else.

They disqualified her after failing a test which wasn’t testosterone test but was not otherwise specified. Not like the Russians to be cloak and dagger about anything…

Khelif is clearly genetically not completely female as it were - but she isn’t a man, nobody has said she is, she isn’t transgender, she hasn’t tried to change sex to cheat.