Imane Khelif

"People who mentruate" has only ever been used in for example medical settings where the correct care needs to be provided to women and transgender men or ayone that mentruates regardless of their gender identity. It has and will never replace the term "woman".

The fact is you and other "gender critical" people have said that "woman" should be used instead of "people who mentruate" while at the same time saying Khelif isn't a woman, desite the fact she has female reproductive organs because she doesn't fit your ever changing deinition.

 

Do you know that Khalid does? I dont. All I know is that at birth she was assigned a female, presumably due to visible body parts as with all babies. What happened to their body after that we don't know. But it is important that we do in this particular case as I have stated before due to safety and fairness.

 

It's important to know if she mentruates? So if someone has a hysterectomy they're no longer a woman?

 

No, it's important to know if they've gone through male puberty, if they're xxx or xy. A simple swab test would determine that.

 

Adult human female

 

That's what I mean. That they got to elite level before people got their asses in gear and appropriately regulated for a changing world. Not that they should be able to compete at any level... Just that it made it more awkward to stop it by the time they reached those levels.

 

I shared my experinces.

Perhaps you could trawl back and find them.

If not, let me know, and I'll repeat them.

 

So you agree Khelif is a woman then?

 

Whole thing just bores me if I am honest. Just more of a generalisation of firstly free speech and this being offended culture the UK has now become. I get that a barrage of abuse from someone should be stopped, but if someone makes a comment against you and one of the first things you think of is legal action is ultimately the end of free speech.

We do as humans have the option to ignore people. What next? School kids taking offence to some playground comment and commencing legal action?

There is a massive difference to ongoing abuse and a throwaway random comment someone makes. I'd bet 99.999% of the population have said something which someone else disagrees with.

It is getting a bit daft really.

 

I haven't read all the posts, somebody asked what the definition of a woman is, I replied, the end.

 

This is nonsense.

What you want is free speech without consequence. Actions have consequences. How about instead people just take a f**king moment to think before speaking or posting things?.


Edit: also in fairness the first reaction from Khelif was to win an Olympic gold medal

 

Your suppression offends me in that case, so it works all ways. Being offended is subjective and individual. It is impossible to police.

 

To add to this, spin your argument 360. What you want is every word spoken or written to be policed to a certain person's agenda or beliefs. It's ridiculous to even try. There is a massive difference between ongoing harassment and someones personal opinion.

 

What about when the person hurling the abuse has millions of loyal followers who parrot said abuse? What about when the thing you are accusing someone of is illegal in the country the are from?

Because that's the level we're talking about here.

And if it needs to be policed when someone of that influence makes a statement like that... It's only fair that everyone else who says the same faces the same consequences.

You have to bear in mind that free speech in real life does not have the ability to 'go viral' without social media and be seen by millions. You can shout inaccuracies on a street corner and be heard by dozens at most. You can type the same thing into X and be heard by millions. This is why "influencers" are becoming some of the richest and most powerful people in the world. That's the power of an audience. The consequences of free speech are different In the digital world. Therefore the potential ramifications of its misuse must be similarly scaled.

 

Get rammell on.

 

The cognitive dissonance is deafening. At the end of the day we have a young woman. That’s how she lives her life. That’s been her sex since birth. In her country the very idea of trans and being linked to it is very dangerous. She finds herself bullied by people who don’t have any facts other than she hits hard and looks a bit manly. All the talk otherwise is just that talk.

it just makes me sad that this is the divided world we live in where high profile people spread hate and vitriol against another human and people try to justify it.

whatever the rights and wrongs this is a person people are talking about. It also points heavily to the undeserved power of celebrity. We have a mediocre author whose books are littered with racist and anti semitic stereotypes whipping up hatred and it being amplified to bully someone. Sickening.

 

There are other issues at stake though @Jimmy viz and going or allowing themselves to be persuaded to go down the court route will no doubt open themselves up to more exposure.
I personally never got the Harry Potter hype but JKR is a good role model for young girls imo,

 

The main issue should always be the person. That could be my daughter these on line bullies are targeting. The facts are that she applied to fight in the Olympics and the IOC ratified that application. People can have a view on that. People can raise concerns about that. What they shouldn’t do is attack and victimise someone who has done nothing wrong

If someone was spreading lies about me that could literally get me killed in my own country too right I’d take them to court. Anyway as you know if you give into bullies then they don’t go away they bully others. It’s a brave stance. She hasn’t gone down the very easy route of rinsing Rowling for money in UK courts she has gone down a much more difficult route.

Not sure spewing out vile hatred on the internet whilst striking up friendships with far right figures anti feminist figures is a good role model. And that before we get to the racism & antisemitism in her books. I actually feel a bit sorry for her she’s clearly having a public breakdown and someone should reach out and help her but her words are really dangerous and just stoke division and hatred.

 

I actually don't believe it's possible to have any more exposure than to have been directly slandered by Trump, Rowling, Musk and Logan Paul all at once. That's a combined following pushing 500 million, across multiple platforms. And a wide demographic range of audiences too. I think she had little choice but to stand her ground.

If she wins, she proves them all wrong. If she disappears and ignores them, all those people will continue to believe they are right about her.

 

In the same way Andrew Tate is a good role model for young boys?

Both are disgusting misogynistic bigots.