Buying promotion from Lg One

This was mentioned earlier about Portsmouth, not coping with life back in the Championship, and it could be the inevitable and immediate relegation again for them.
Birmingham spent ridiculously in the recent August 'window', and their aim apparently is to not only buy promotion. But it's also to try and stay up and be competitive again, if/when they do get back to the Championship.
Not surprisingly their fans defend it, and say every other club would do the same, if they could. And anybody who criticises it, is just jealous!.
Do we think they are right to do and say this ?.

 

£15m for a player in League 1 is obscene

 

I get what they are trying to do. They are buying good quality Championship players now, so if as expected they walk this league that is below the level of the quality they have, then next season these same guys will have had a year together and they won't need to bed many players next season, which will stand them in good stead for a play off push.

 

Yeah it's disgraceful, they broke all of the Third Division transfer records recently.
Maybe there's a thin dividing line though between ambition, and sheer ignorance/stupidity!.

 

It's not disgraceful. They are entitled to spend the money they make how they see fit. They have been excellent at bringing in sponsorship cash in the millions. They even have Delta as their official airline partner.

 

I know they aren't breaking any rules of course, but I think it's disgraceful (opinions ehh!).
Had we beat the Fowls at Wembley a few seasons ago, and gone up, like we should have done. I think we'd have been in the bottom three all season, with Rotherham for example.
And it would have been another awful Championship relegation slog, again.

 

Not in my case. I’m more astounded that they keep going down the ‘moneyed’ route even though it’s brought them so much despair - I mean just look which level they’re currently playing at.

Wigan fans used to have the same attitude, and Reading, but you can’t put a dog in a stable and call it a horse. Once the money stopped, they slowly gravitated back to where they started. Majority of those fans giving it the big one probably don’t even attend any more.

I’d fear for our long term future if we went down that route.

 

Ok then Fitz, so what is the alternative do we reckon ?.
Because with the way they are running us as a club, we're more likely to be relegated rather than promoted, when it comes to getting 'out' of this Third Division.

 

The alternative to gambling money isn’t necessarily relegation. We’ve just had 2 playoff seasons doing things the way we do. It’s FAR too early to suggest that this season won’t be another.

The simple answer to your question though, is if there was a proven alternative to buying success, then there would be no sugar daddies.

I’m proud that when we got to the Prem, it was under our own steam. Same goes for the Valball season and every time we get promoted from this hole of a division. We have better resources than many at this level, so we shouldn’t need to be gambling big bucks. Embarrassingly for Brum, neither should they.

 

I like you on here mate, and many others with your viewpoint, but I just don't get it. We've just had 2 seasons in a row finishing in play offs, one a whisker away with a bad refereeing call or 2 thrown in, and another where admittedly we weren't as good but gave them a real fight. This season we've had our best start in 6 years, some brilliant performances, some real poor performances with plenty of distinctly average tossed in. How does that all culminate into relegation rather than promotion? If we sold any half decent player, on the cheap, like we used to, I'd be more inclinded to agree, but we can't accuse them of that. If they didn't give a toss about the club at all, they'd have sold Williams, Cadden, Cole, Kane all whilst on a year/6 month contract to squeeze some money out of them (whilst on form btw, especially Cole's goalscoring record). We expect more, and the players need to improve, but the lad in charge has been here 5 minutes. It was all looking rosy after Crawley performance and 3 league games later everyone is shitting themselves bud.

 

That's very nice of you Frog kid lol, and tahh very much for that. And I like chatting and maybe having a laugh with you, as well on here.
But hey for a start, I've not suggested that Darrell Clarke should be sacked. And I think it's pathetic that some of our so called fans, are already doing so. And even resorting to personal insults against him!.
And I hate the fact that these people still keep making crappy snide digs at Neil Collins as well, who I've always tried to stick up for, within reason.
But these owners and the awful recruitment team, they are a law onto themselves. Like I say about the Duff season, where we should have 'gone up' then.
But what if any 'ambition' do you think this lot would have shown, if we had gone up to the Championship ?.
I think it would have been just the same ignorance as usual, buy cheap and sell for a profit etc. And just simply hope for the best on the pitch. While we had a great looking bank balance for the year of course.

 

I enjoy the chat & laughs too, mate! Completely agree with you regarding Clarke & Collins, no reason he should still be taking stick, the lads been gone for a while now, he uprooted his life, moved countries thousands of miles away, changed his kids schools etc. Leave the lad be now.
I honestly don't know what 'ambition' these would show had we got promotion, what I do know is I have more faith in them than Conway/Lee. I don't think we have many other options but to try buy cheap & sell on for profit. The difference now is, we actually get good fees for our players, unlike before. DKD has taken some stick, and we've paid more for him than we have anyone for a while, if we got 2/3 more players with big transfer fees and they didn't work out, that would leave us in a huge predicament. Every club is a selling club, just seemed for a long time we never got appropriate fees for our lads, but I genuinely believe that has changed now. Andersen, Kitching, turning down plenty of offers for Styles and making him sign a year extra when going on loan so we retained his value (obviously it didn't work out but it was certainly the right move) - we could have taken the first bid on them all but we didn't and we got really good money, certainly for Kitch.
I get your point about supposedly having a nice looking bank account, but they've still put more money in than what we've actually received. About 14 million I think they've put in now?

I honestly think the board got it nearly perfect that first season taking over from Lee & conway, the Duff appointment, Connell, Cadden, Phillips, loads of brilliant signings. Last season it didn't work out great but finished top 6. Despite our best start for a good few years, I get peoples frustrations with this season, but I'm not going to judge it after such a short amount of time so far. They've put people in positions now, instead of Khaled doing the job of 2/3 people. I maintain Conway/Lee set us back years, so I think it'll take some time to recover. The toxicity at Oakwell over the last couple of years is palpable, and I genuinely feel it has an impact still on the mentality of the players. I mean why do we only play well when we go behind? Can't pin it ALL on Clarke because it's been happening a good couple of years now - though he needs to change that weak mentality from the players and overcome it. That's what he's paid for! Ultimately, I'm just disappointed how quickly fans turn, especially on someone whos been here 5 minutes. As I mentioned in another post, we used to give managed 3/4 windows before fully judging, now we give them between 3-10 games, it's just a bit barmy. I'm hoping we do have some funds in Jan to improve our chances but mostly I just want that feel good factor back at Oakwell, and hopefully with some time Clarke & the board can deliver for us mate

 

If the owners put in the infrastructure to support it, which they have done, they've got the crowd to support it, which they have - then fair play to them, it's teams like Bournemouth that's the problem.

 

Plenty on here would complain but they'd also be the first to celebrate if it was us spending that money.

 

Of course we would do it and we would love it. Ipswich are the blue print and it appears Birmingham have more cash to throw at it. It's modern football I'm afraid rip up how it used to be mega rich individual and even countries wanting the glory.

 

Yep just jealousy.. doesn't matter if it's non league with Wrexham Fleetwood Chesterfield Stockport and the like.. Parachute payments in the championship.
The big six premier league side..
And of course Real, Barcelona and the very top European team..
The one thing they all have in common is they all spend the most money.. not rocket science.. Not only to get to the top of their respective leagues but and more importantly to stay there..

 

Given the losses that Birmingham made last season - even with the increase in sponsorship and season tickets - I can't see how they have the money to spend that they are spending. Stansfield cost £15m, but his wages are the problem with SCMP and much as they might wish it was, the recent share sale doesn't count as turnover...

Shades of Chansiri accounting possibly.

 

Imagine how much they would pay for someone who banged it the hat tricks.

 

I dont get this we.re more likely to be relegated when the past 2 seasons we've been in the playoffs and are currently 7th in the table.

 

Best thing is to do a poll. I don’t know anyone personally that advocates buying success at BFC, and I certainly don’t. I would be a total hypocrite.

Of course there will be some on here that would like to see the club go down that route with no reservations, but they’d probably be amongst the first to moan if it all went belly up.