The ConLAB government..

Same reason the Tories didn't tell us about the £22 billion black hole.

 

Aye its the same reason. The Tories are deceitful and Starmer is deceitful. Tories are corrupt. Starmer is corrupt. Government of 'service' my arse.

 

Oops! Stay the right side of the defamation laws, KCP!

 

Jesus i thought the Boris/Farage sycophants were bad, you’d give them a run for their money

 

Not at all. Criticising Starmer is fine, if that's your view. But I wouldn't want Mr KCP to land himself in bother!

 

This thread is eye-opening, you have the usual suspects defending the indefensible, you have anyone who dare to criticise starmer been called right wing reform voters, then the childish posts saying "we won you lost get over it" asif it's some.kids football game... wow just wow

 

Alanis Morissette just had an aneurysm

 

The 'we won you lost' comments are a parody of brextremists arguments post referendum. Seems you missed the irony of them.

 

And not only that, isn't it now clear we all lost with brexit?

 

I read just yesterday that since 2021, the UK economies imports from EU and exports to EU have dropped by something like £180bn. Obviously, as was known and expected, that massive shortfall hasn't been close to made up from crazy Trusses trade deals with other nations.

I wonder when someone in parliament other than Stella Creasey will be brave enough to say out loud that brexit was a disaster and we have to rejoin... Albeit on worse terms than what we had.

 

I don't think Keir wants that argument back. He probably doesn't have long enough to see it through. I think the next battle on that front will involve Prime Minster Jenrick trying to junk our ECHR rights.

 

like you lot did with the brexit debacle

 

The fact you lack the ability to recognise any nuance in a post nor its parodic nature doesn’t instill a huge amount of confidence in your ability to judge what you read and hear regarding the political outlook and whether it’s fact or spin.

Criticism of Starmer is in the main part completely justified - I don’t deny anybody an opinion regardless - but the conclusions some draw about Starmer being as bad and as corrupt as those who immediately went before based on the snippets we have at this early stage is at best premature and at worst completely wide of the mark and unfair.

I’m no fan. I doubt I ever will be. I’d sooner someone further to the left. He’s also as slippery as you’d expect a top lawyer to be.

But unlike some I’m not able to conclude him to be a pathological liar as was one obvious previous pm - I think his acceptance of freebies may be unwise but it isn’t illegal or corrupt; I’ve commented on the fuel allowance issue already and where I think it falls short (whilst actually being fair in the main); they’ve said they won’t increase working taxes for working people so no income tax or employee NI increases - they seem likely to increase employers contributions to NI (which will make contractors forced to use an umbrella under IR35 have to pay more) - but again, even though it (if it happens) will hit me in the pocket myself, I can’t conclude they’ve directly broken any promises.

They may not have implemented much that has gained them many fans at the moment. But could we expect that? They came in knowing the economy was on its arse, and have since found a black hole they said was £22billion but that an independent body (CPS) now estimate to be larger - whatever had been implemented wasn’t going to sit well with a lot of people.

We all know the agenda of most of the front line media. Everything will be panned in many sources due to that; regardless of whether the opposition would have done the same or worse.

But my view is that we need to ignore the noise and look at what difference is actually made in the medium and long term; rather than write people off after three months.

 

The sad reality is it will likely take multiple prime ministers to get it through, and despite all evidence, there are still far too many who think it was a good thing or are too bloody minded to accept reality.

I have a feeling that the first party to suggest rejoining might be the tories once they realise they can't be more populist or fascist than Farridge. But thats going to be 8-10 years I reckon.

 

The fact that someone has quoted "we won you lost" apparently from brexit means very little to me. Id hazard a guess many who are criticising starmer and his party voted remain, I didn't vote either way for brexit but I can be critical of him or his mps if I see fit. Nothing to do with brexit or the obsession some on this board have with it.

 

ITS LIKE RAAIIIAAAANNNN
ON YOUR WEDDING DAY.

 

Bexit means bexit

 

This phone fella. If all else fails pull the spelling... you going Saturday?

 

Oh come on.... That was funny! Tough crowd this bexit mob ;-)

 

Your not going are you?