Huw Edwards...

Violent disorder covers a wide range of things you could go to a game shout at a opposition fan or police and thats violent disorder. To put it into perspective a 27 year old man from the Leeds riots has just been sentenced for violent disorder where he threw rocks and fireworks at police he got 2 and half years 6 months longer than the bloke shouting at police. The bloke never got charged with assaulting police.

 

Please for the love of God stop minimising what Edwards did. This is the second post I've just read doing similar. He didn't just 'open some pictures' or 'download some pictures'. Whats he is and what he's done is disgusting and is making my skin ******* crawl reading this. Its just like you're making it sound as lukewarm as possible to maximise what the other guy did. Racists are disgusting, paedos are even more disgusting, we both agree, but let's not do it because it is starting to sound politically motivated now.

 

He looked at sick pictures. That’s been stated multiple times.

It’s disgusting. But I’m sorry, cheering on the action of trying to burn asylum seekers to death in their hundreds is far worse in my view.

I just hope you’re not trying to play down the worst kinds of racism and Islamophobia.

 

Nonce apologist. End of story.

 

idiot.

 

Only one idiot here. Continue with your virtue signalling, whatever floats your boat.

 

Well as long as you’re aware of your idiocy, that’s one thing at least.

 

You saying he looked at pictures is just like the other side saying he only shouted scum at the police. Even the judge said he did nothing physically violent. Context matters. Its like equating the BLM riots, buildings actually did burn over there, lots of people died, but I wouldnt call them all murderers, looters and arsonists because majority weren't.

But my point being, seemingly 'downplaying' to make the other situation look even worse just doesn't sit right with me mate. I've voted Labour since I've been able, but so often now it feels like I'm supposed to just ignore my own sides horrors, corruption, incompetence and must do and agree with everything to make the other side look worse, even though in my opinion, they already do a brilliant job of making themselves look horrific. I just don't think everyone who was protesting against illegal immigration are inherently evil, I just don't. I think a lot are misinformed, a bit daft and some even genuinely fearful. Some are also racist and try to kill and set fire to buildings and they deserve banging up. But there's also some horrible fuckers in the far left who are equally as disgusting as the far right and im seeing it more and more often, unfortunately.

And no, I dont agree with Ubique_tyke, I dont think youre a nonce apologist. Certainly not.

 

I was kind of with you until this. You've only got to look at social media regarding the Manvers Riot. The build up, and now the aftermath is filled with evil racists. Lies and misinformation quickly spread on various Wath FB pages - people trying to justify their actions by lying that the residents of the Holiday Inn were brandishing machine guns or were following young women round Manvers Lake constantly.

Anyone who turned up at that "protest" was racist. And yes I think they were evil. They just don't like brown people who aren't from round here.

 

And I don't think you're of the ilk of redrum or ubique either.

I don't feel like I'm playing Huw Edwards' crimes down. I've said it was sick. But I don't think it's on a par with the guy who was charged with 18 years for taking real images and creating thousands of AI ones out of them and encouraging people to rape children. And then you've the ongoing claims against P Diddy Combs. To me they seem worse than Edwards case. But I'll reiterate it again, not for you but those others who seemingly struggle to read, Edwards committed a crime and one thats very unpleasant and he deserves to be punished and in different ways, he may well have suffered more from being in a public glare than not being. I'll thankfully never understand such people, but nor will I understand racists and their enablers.

As for the race riots, I think you have to look at the whole thing. Night after night there was fear being inflicted on British non White people. Windows smashed, cars smashed, mosques attacked, people attacked. The thing with mobs and riots is they are fuelled by people just being there. Just joining in shouting is pushing it to go on further. They escalate beyond reason and can spread to other areas. Manvers as it turned out was probably the worst of the riots and in order to grip the issue and bring it to a halt, I thought the actions by government and judiciary were impressive.

Were there people there who were ignorant, stupid, manipulated, irrationally fearful? I have no doubt that was the case. But you can be racist through ignorance. I'd actually argue that's the main cause frankly.

And thank you for your reasoned and articulate response, even if there are numerous parts I disagree with.

 

Last from me on it because its sort of gone off the topic comparing the two sentences and how one bloke 60+ with health problems gets jailed for shouting things and does nothing physical and ends up taking his own life and a celebrity pays for some of the worst category images of kids and evades jail due to age and his mental health. Justice system needs a good look at.

I don't think everyone who went to those hotels was racist. Like you say misinformed, abit stupid etc but to say everyone who doesn't agree with the migrant situation and disagrees with it costing billions a year housing them is racist is just untrue. It would be like me saying if you thought devante Cole was ***** your racist.

 

No, it's not at all like that.

I agree people can disagree with policy without it being racist. If your gripe is solely with government policy why would you protest outside a hotel housing asylum seekers? Surely you recognise that they are just an innocent function of the system and you should be protesting against central government.

It's sad that a bloke died but the outcome in terms of sentencing was entirely predictable and foreseeable ahead of time and not politically motivated. If he didn't want to go to prison he shouldn't have turned up at a racially motivated riot which was intended to at least intimidate and distress the innocent residents of that hotel.

 

Glad we agree that you can disagree with the boats and migrants situation and not be a racist.

Said at the Time people should have gone to downing Street and protested there. But tensions were high days after what happened in Southport fake news was spread to fuel tensions people believed it etc

You keep saying it was a deserved sentance but violent disorder covers a wide range of things you could go to a game Saturday shout scum to police doubt you would even get court but it would be violent disorder. I told you about the bloke in the Leeds riots who got 6 months longer for throwing bricks and fireworks at police. Then there's the huw Edwards case where I showed articles of him been let of due to health, mental health etc.

 

His sentence has nothing to do with Huw Edwards. I suggest you read the sentencing guidelines for violent disorder before commenting further.

 

I used that because one was spared jail due to his health and mental health the other not. And compared to similar offences in harehills looks like he's been hard done by.

 

It feels like the problem here is the legislature and sentencing guidelines, rather than the application of them in the case.

I think that there is a very strong sentiment within the British public - and i agree with it - that any form of paedophilia should be met with a custodial sentence, particularly in a case such as Edwards where he had actively acquiesced to receiving the materials.

Unfortunately, that isnt what the sentencing guidelines say, so until that changes; here we are.

 

Duplicate post sorry.

 

Whilst you are comparing apples with oranges, I feel the need to add some context to your argument that I haven’t seen mentioned.

Huw Edwards wasn’t spared an immediate custodial sentence because of his present mental health. So saying he was spared whilst Pete Lynch was imprisoned and then committed suicide is a little disingenuous as to the series of events.

Edwards’ crimes for me are horrendous - but his sentencing reflected his mental health at the time he was receiving images, not what his health is like now. His improved health now and acceptance of his sexuality etc formed part of it as he was deemed highly unlikely to reoffend. That couldn’t have been said of Lynch.

He also, remember, was convicted in effect just for receiving images - ‘making’ images in law is in effect the file created on your device when sent an image - he also asked the fella sending the images to not send ‘underage’ or send ‘anything illegal’ on more than one occasion. I’m not excusing him - he received images of underage kids (apparently some as young as 8), and did not report the guy, so he deserves his conviction. He also sent him money on a few occasions. I’d not have been upset to see him imprisoned whatsoever. I think he perhaps ought to have been.

However there hasn’t actually been evidence to suggest Edwards even wanted images of underage boys, never mind asked for them.

But his sentencing and the reasonings for it are multiple, it is very dangerous to compare it to that of Pete Lynch; and others compare him to people inciting hate on social media etc who have been convicted (Mr Yaxley-Lennon for example) - you are not comparing like with like.

Should Edwards be in prison? Yeah possibly. But he’s effectively under house arrest anyway as wherever he goes people will recognise him, and the courts have decided that his contrition and recognition of his crimes, and recognition and acceptance of his sexuality, leave little to no chance of continued offending. The prisons are overcrowded - I’d sooner cell space be taken up by people who have continuous nonce leanings, by people conducting or inciting violence, by people instigating hatred and destroying life, limb and property through shared bigotry.

Oh and by the way, multiple people, of various ethnic origin, have been convicted after Harehills, for violent disorder and in some cases arson. Sentences handed out of up to six years. Lynch was not badly treated whatsoever. Not one person was reported injured in Harehills either, to add to the context. We also saw people of various backgrounds, Roma/gypsy, Romanian, Muslim, Black and White British all group together to try and calm down tensions (and together to try and raise it too to be fair).