Assisted Dying Bill

In principle I think it's a great idea but there's so many issues with it that I've absolutely no idea how you put safeguards in place. Glad it's not me who has to draft a bill on it.

You've got to try to take away as many opportunities for family members (or others) to put pressure on someone to end their life and I've no idea how you do that but my gut instinct is that any life insurance should be null and void and that there should be a pretty large fee to come out of any inheritance too if there is any.

But that's just my guy, I've absolutely no idea what I'd put in place in practice, it's such a complex issue

 

Not sure where I stand on this tbh, so many grey areas. Glad it's being talked about seriously though, it deserves that.

 

I wasn’t replying as if it was a dig. At this stage we just don’t know until they present the detail of the bill.

We’ll just have to wait and see. I guess my point was that the person you might think had more basis to choose a known end is currently the least likely. Whereas the person who you think has most ability to live their life has given up and is faced with a prison inflicted by their own mind.

I’m not saying either would take advantage of assisted dying. Personally, if I were in either position, I’m pretty certain I would.

 

Chill.

I haven't intimated anything of the sort.

People will have policies. They may wish to end their own life. And think that insurance will still take care of their loved ones. And I'm just saying it may not.

If you are insinuating I'm gunna approve someone bumping themselves off just so I can benefit off a payout, your way off the mark

 

I've always been pretty much in favour, and then occasionally wavered slightly when I thought through all of the repercussions.

I'm now fully back on board with no equivocation, thanks in part to this report. Fair warning; it's a very difficult read.

https://features.dignityindying.org.uk/inescapable-truth/

 

I feel the same. I would absolutely want to be put to sleep if i had dementia/was in agony with some incurable disease, but how to safeguard is a big issue.

 

Yes I get that I am for it but I don't think we can let anyone who isn't in a 100% fit and stable mental state decide its for them.

 

That comes down to the system that surrounds it. I guess you'd have to have indicative records taken at various milestones, then probably at a stage of diagnosis of certain conditions. Lots and lots of things to consider.

 

Be very careful opening this door.,,

Canada opens door to expanding assisted dying (bbc.com)

Number of assisted deaths jumped more than 30 per cent in 2022, report says | CBC News

 

Is that unexpected? I'd expect the numbers to climb in the immediate years after something first becomes legal.

I think everyone should have the right to end things on their own terms.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...starmer-bill-esther-rantzen-mps-b2646230.html

Wes Streeting is still against it. The bill details for me are too weak. You can only ask to be put to sleep if you've only got six months or less left to live. How can they be so sure? Plenty of people get told that and live for a few years. It's also unfair on those in 24/7 agony needing around the clock care with no quality of life, because it's "just pain" and not for example stage 4 cancer.

 

Apparently it's based on the scheme they've had in Oregon for many years. If there were insurance issues, I'm sure these would have been addressed by now.

 

I'd rather be Assisted Dying Bill than Dying Alone Scared And In Pain Bob

 

Always been in favour but like many wonder how the Dementia issue would be solved. If there was a legal option passed, maybe a declaration while your still of sound mind, and registered with your will it could be an option. Effectively stating if your a victim of Altziemers/ Dementia or a life ending illness you sanction your family to apply for a full medical and psychological review to look at Assisted Dying. I had 5 years of watching my Dad, one of the best people you could wish to meet, Degenerate into what effectively was a zombie like state...I know what his wishes were from when he was of sound mind but we had to suffer, like many do, watching this happen to those you love most...

 

Blood donors opt in and carried cards and we can issue do not resuscitate protocols. It shouldn't be difficult to have a similar scheme or register outlining wishes that we want to die if we meet a particular criteria or reach a certain position making it known well in advance.

For me there should be two stages to this debate. Firstly, a headline yes or no to whether you agree with the concept, then a later follow up to flesh out detail and protocol. I'd hope that there would be huge majority in favour, it would then be a case of getting the system right to alleviate pain, keep some dignity intact and eliminate/reduce the need for people to take their own lives in ways that are more violent or leave trauma for those left behind.

 

Any decision made should be in the best interests of the person who's ill, not the family wanting an inheritance or having a burden placed on them @dreamboy3000 . It's that rhetoric that puts me off fully supporting assisted dying

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/29/mps-vote-for-assisted-dying-in-england-and-wales

Voted through with a majority of 55. Positive news and a sign of things changing for the better.

 

Arguably but arguably not too. The whole thing is extremely complex and to suggest its 'positive' is too simplistic. Equally, its debatable whether its a change for the better. It will be for some, inevitably, but for all I'm not so sure. As I say, its complex and just because one agrees with it doesn't necessarily mean it's a catch-all positive. There are many people, including me, with experience of end of life care for loved ones and not all would agree with you. I dont mean to be argumentative for the sake of it by the way.

 

https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1877

If you're interested how your own MP and others voted. Mine voted in favour. The result won't please everyone. I personally don't think it's gone far enough with it being for those with less than six months to live, when many live longer that they say that about. Also if I was in constant pain, bed ridden and needed 24/7 care, I wouldn't want to live for however many years I would have left just for the sake of it.