The Irish boys down at the 'Well

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by Michael Noz, Jan 13, 2025 at 4:06 AM.

  1. Mic

    Michael Noz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2009
    Messages:
    908
    Likes Received:
    660
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
  2. Hooky feller

    Hooky feller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2016
    Messages:
    17,267
    Likes Received:
    19,692
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Retired, full time grandad.
    Location:
    Mapp.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Not really sure of the connection mate other than irish.
    As I struggle to be able to tell the lyrics.(as in nearly every song) I looked em up. Very poignant. So if I may add. Songs about the troubles. Hope they never return to the days of old. Regardless of some tension still.

    Up there with

    U2 - Sunday bloody Sunday. Imo One of the best of a catalogue of great music/songs
    .
    Simple minds - Belfast Child. Long version. One of the most haunting songs about the troubles. Made my hair stand 1st time I heard it on the radio. I bought the Album on the strength of that alone. (Street fighting yrs)
     
    alf1887, onemickybutler and lk311 like this.
  3. Mic

    Michael Noz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2009
    Messages:
    908
    Likes Received:
    660
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    yes, nothing deep on my mind here... Just a great concert and great band. I'm on youtube a lot and this clip is always pushed at me and I always watch it. And I like the Irish and Ireland.
     
    Hooky feller likes this.
  4. lk3

    lk311 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2016
    Messages:
    9,331
    Likes Received:
    7,650
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Loved Delores, great artist
     
  5. Sco

    Scoff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    9,080
    Likes Received:
    7,803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    The interface between business and technology
    Location:
    Brampton by the Sea
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    See also Streets of Sorrow/Birmingham Six by the Pogues. Banned for several years despite both the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 being exonerated shortly after it was recorded.
     
    Hooky feller and Dyson like this.
  6. Dys

    Dyson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2005
    Messages:
    14,132
    Likes Received:
    3,884
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Tarn centre
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Bit further back in history but 'Grace' is a beauty. Story of one of the architects of the Easter uprising and his execution at Kilmainham Gaol.
     
  7. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    5,049
    Likes Received:
    7,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    'Grace' is a reference to Grace Gifford who married Joseph Plunkett, one of the leaders of the 1916 uprising, just before his execution. She died in 1955.

    It's odd indeed to here this extraordinary song sung at a football match. Does get the hairs on the back of your neck standing.
     
  8. Prince of Risborough

    Prince of Risborough Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    Messages:
    14,989
    Likes Received:
    10,981
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Dunnington, East of York
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    "71" was on Film Four last week and I watched it. Awful story about a soldier getting separated from his Unit in the streets of Belfast and being hunted by the IRA gunmen. The Harvey Andrews song "Soldier" is never far from my mind, being a searing indictment of those times, where a soldier throws himself on a railway station bomb to save the lives of Irish men, women and children close by. I'll copy and paste the lyrics here - I hope Harvey won't mind. Anyone who hasn't heard it should look it up on YouTube and hear it brilliantly sung.

    In the station in the city a British soldier stood
    Talking to the people there if the people would
    Some just stared in hatred and others turned in pain
    And the lonely British soldier wished he was back home again
    "Come join the British army" Said the posters in his town
    "See the world and have your fun, come serve before the crown"
    The jobs were hard to come by and he could not face the dole
    So he took his country's shilling and enlisted on the roll
    But there was no fear of fighting, the Empire long was lost
    Just ten years in the army, getting paid for being bossed
    Then leave a man experienced, a man who's made the grade
    A medal and a pension, some memories and a trade
    Then came the call to Ireland as the call had come before
    Another bloody chapter in an endless civil war
    The priests they stood on both sides, the priests they stood behind
    Another fight in Jesus' name, the blind against the blind
    The soldier stood between them, between the whistling stones
    And then the broken bottles that led to broken bones
    The petrol bombs that burned his hands, the nails that pierced his skin
    And wished that he had stayed at home surrounded by his kin
    The station filled with people, the soldier soon was bored
    But better in the station than where the people warred
    The room filled up with mothers, with daughters and with sons
    Who stared with itchy fingers at the soldier and his guns
    A yell of fear, a screech of brakes, a shattering of glass
    The window of the station broke to let the package pass
    A scream came from the mothers as they ran towards the door
    Dragging children crying from the bomb upon the floor
    The soldier stood and could not move, his gun he could not use
    He knew the bomb had seconds and not minutes on the fuse
    He could not run to pick it up and throw it in the street
    There were far too many people there, too many running feet
    "Take cover!" Yelled the soldier, "Take cover for your lives!"
    And the Irishmen threw down their young and stood before their wives
    They turned towards the soldier, their eyes alive with fear
    "For God's sake, save our children, or they'll end their short lives here"
    The soldier moved towards the bomb, his stomach like a stone
    Why was this his battle, God, why was he alone?
    He laid down on the package and he murmured one farewell
    To those at home in England, to those he loved so well
    He saw the sights of summer, felt the wind upon his brow
    The young girls in the city parks, how precious were they now?
    The soaring of the swallow, the beauty of the swan
    The music of the turning earth so soon would it be gone
    A muffled soft explosion and the room began to quake
    The soldier blown across the floor, his blood a crimson lake
    They never heard him cry or shout, they never heard him moan
    And they turned their children's faces from the blood and from the bone
    The crowd outside soon gathered and the ambulances came
    To carry off the body of a pawn lost to the game
    And the crowd they clapped and jeered, and they sang their rebel songs
    "One soldier less to interfere where he did not belong"
    And will the children growing up learn at their mother's knee
    The story of the soldier who bought their liberty?
    Who used his youthful body as the means towards the end
    Who gave his life to those who called him murderer not friend
     
    Kiz likes this.
  9. Dalestykes

    Dalestykes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    5,049
    Likes Received:
    7,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I think the British Private (Jack O Connell) was also being hunted by the British Security Services (MRF who were feeding Loyalists with weapons/bombs and information) who caught him and who tried to kill him; but were prevented from doing so by the Young IRA Volunteer who was then shot by the Army.

    The IRA man was played by the excellent Barry Keoghan - has since gone onto fame and fortune. The British Security serviceman who tried to kill O Connell was the amazing actor, Paul Anderson. Best know for his portrayal of Arthur Shelby in Peaky Blinders.

     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2025 at 12:05 PM
  10. Frans

    Frans Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2007
    Messages:
    674
    Likes Received:
    777
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Yes, I have one of those
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    There's a live version on Youtube of Simple Minds performing Belfast Child with Sinead O'Connor - well worth checking out
     
    Hooky feller likes this.
  11. fit

    fitzytyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2006
    Messages:
    7,996
    Likes Received:
    6,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Ding dong dell

    Who pulled them out btw?
     
  12. Prince of Risborough

    Prince of Risborough Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2011
    Messages:
    14,989
    Likes Received:
    10,981
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Dunnington, East of York
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Yes he was in deep trouble with both sides after him and it was a very tense finish when his life was saved by a young would-be gunman. It was certainly a hard watch but it (not for the first time) reminded me how lucky I was joining the RAF in 1970 but not getting the dreaded posting notice to Aldergrove.

    It wasn’t until the early 90s that I had to worry about Irish bombs and bullets during my three years in Germany. Two lads were shot shortly after I arrived when they stopped at traffic lights in Roermond, just inside the Dutch border. This was close enough to my location at Rheindahlen to make me very aware of the danger.
     
  13. Dys

    Dyson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2005
    Messages:
    14,132
    Likes Received:
    3,884
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Tarn centre
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Yeah exactly. The extra verse in original adds a lot more to it than the Rod Stewart more popular version but either way, pulls at the heart strings.
     
  14. Hooky feller

    Hooky feller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2016
    Messages:
    17,267
    Likes Received:
    19,692
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Retired, full time grandad.
    Location:
    Mapp.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Cheers. Great version.
     
    Frans likes this.
  15. RichK

    RichK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2007
    Messages:
    29,115
    Likes Received:
    2,573
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Great actor is Barry.
     
  16. wak

    wakeyred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    9,679
    Likes Received:
    8,416
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    the clues in my imaginative online moniker
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I highly recommend season 6 of a podcast called “the spy who” it’s all about a double agent Willie Carlin during the troubles.
    https://open.spotify.com/episode/1wje8ImKv6CqSqhvHcfJy2?si=JAKfBDJQRQmqWhiEupE5oA
     
  17. John Peachy

    John Peachy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    17,379
    Likes Received:
    17,051
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    The littlest hobo
    Location:
    Leeds, United Kingdom
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Interesting band / rap group these. Massively political.

     

Share This Page