Another fatal crash

Or alternatively get him a black box (telematics) fitted .
Makes them drive to the rules more.

 

We have been considering graduated licences for years ,it's a great idea ,which limits them driving with passengers at night ,and other restrictions, I am so surprised it as not happened yet.

 

Same way not driving without a licence is enforced but take the above conversation, someone said good luck getting your kids to not drive at night/with a group of friends. It’d be a hell of a lot easier for parents to feel able to enforce it if there was a law against it. It’s never going to stop everyone but it would definitely limit it.

 

The key would be the make the penalty meaningful if caught breaking the new rules. None of this 50 quid fine and off you go. If caught, revert the drivers license back to provisional.

 

It is a fact though that the more people that are in a car it is more likely that you will be distracted and I,m not just referring to young people.If you are in a car on your own it is much less likely you will be distracted ,not suggesting they should limit the number of people in a car or owt like that.

 

Whilst I’m sure sometimes driving with 5 mates in the car is distracting, it’s not a one size fits all situation.
I relied on a mate to pick me up and take me to work from 16-18. Was he a bit of a nob head driver… definitely. But he got me to work and back every Saturday and Sunday for 2 years.
Banning people from taking passengers of a similar age is not the solution in my opinion. I’d much rather the “black box” was used to influence driving behaviour. If you don’t drive safely you get penalised in the pocket. It would be very effective.

 

It's true that we all really learnt the finer points of driving only after passing our test and one thing that I don't believe people are taught adequately, if at all, is just how much of an affect on the weight and handling of a car having a full quota of passengers can have, and this is something only experience can bring. Most of us learn stuff like this after a hairy experience and we fortunately get away with it. Some cars are better at handling it than others, but a 12st kid is 76kg. 4 of them is 300kg. In a 1.5 tonne car, adding 300kg is adding 20% to the weight and that affects the handling. Chuck in some inexperience, possibly some excess speed, maybe some poor driving conditions and the result can be disastrous. Another reason for me for limiting the number of passengers that you can carry until you have built up some experience.

We have a system that allows someone with very little experience to go to a test centre, prove themselves to know the essential basics of driving, and then allow them on the road to drive a 1.5 - 2 ton lump of metal with zero restrictions. It's mental.

 

It’s hard. Kids are kids.

I told my parents I wouldn’t go on the motorway until I’d had a test run with them.

About 3 weeks after passing I drove us to the White Rose Centre & they were pleasantly surprised at how comfortable I was driving on the motorway.

Little did they know that all them nights I’d ‘gone to my mates’ that I’d been going to Meadowhall, centertainment, Wakefield cineworld etc.

I think anyone’s best bet is to try & get their children to be as sensible as possible. It’s hard to stop them from enjoying their freedom.

 

This subject absolutely pees me off, because it involves us at work.
What are they thinking ehh, when they get together in car gang meet ups, and absolutely bomb about at motorway speeds on the roads ?.
It puts other normal drivers and maybe even cyclists at risk as well.

 

Luckily these days we have tracking on phones, I always know where he is!

 

I don't think to stereotype all youngsters is fair.
Fatalities do involve older drivers too.
It's fair to say that young males with mates are more risk to be involved in a collision at night.
But also fatalities do involve other drivers too most common cause, Speed or inappropriate speed.
The thread does not need to be bashing younger drivers.
Drivers I meet on a daily basis come from all ages .
It's all well and good saying experience is the key.
I've been playing golf for over 20 years badly .
Just depends if it is good experience or bad.
I beleive most drivers do become blaize after a time.
Education is the key ,for all drivers not just young lads.

 

It's not about young kids per se. Its about new inexperienced drivers. Stating that inexperienced drivers don't have experience of weight's effect on handling, as an example of their inexperience, is not bashing younger drivers.

I am not trying to bash young drivers, I am just suggesting a law change that may assist in reducing the number of times that new drivers end up wrapped around a tree, because every time it happens, it's a utter bloody tragedy. My grandson will be in that age range in 4 years time and the thought terrifies me.

 

Absolutely tragic, heartfelt condolences to all of those involved, what an awful waste if young life, drive that stretch of road regularly, some of the speeds I've witnessed are crazy should have had cameras up years back.

 

Awful crash. I use to give a group of young lads including my youngest a lift to Cudworth to play on the all weather pitch. After a few trips my lad asked me if I would chuck the car about a bit as his mates were saying I was too slow and careful. This was on the back road from Darfield. There would be 5-6 cars going up. I once witnessed 2 of them come out of the Stadium and race down the road towards Darfield to get to where the road narrows first.

 

Unfortunately its been the same for a long time, back in the 80s my friend in 6th form flipped his car on the Mexborough fly over - survived, another friend, his elder sister got ejected out of a car window during a crash on sticking hill in Mexborough - another notorious accident black spot where others have unfortunately lost their lives speeding.

 

A few days before Christmas in 1987, I was home for Christmas from my first term at university and had to wake my sister and tell her that her friend had been killed the night before in a car crash. Young lad in their year at school, just passed his test, offered a group of friends, including my sister's friend, a lift, showed off by racing through South Elmsall at lunatic speeds, up towards Moorthorpe and South Kirkby. The car was over loaded with people, so would have been handling like an ocean liner, and obviously back then no modern safety systems. He failed to negotiate a pretty benign bend and crashed the car. Driver got a few years inside for it. I'm just thankful my sister wasn't out with them that night.

 

The human brain doesn't mature and see danger like an older adult until after 21 and the'yre fearless. Most just don't see the consequence a lot of the time until sadly its too late.

Been in a situ more than once with this sat in the back with a d1ckh3ad young driver giving it some welly when it just wasn't safe to do so. Not pleasant and they got short shrift.

 

Several cars a year leave the road on Sticking Hill, the only reason more aren't killed is that the fields are fairly close to road level and the ditch isn't too deep. If it were a walled or tree lined road it would be mayhem

 

Unfortunately there's no rewind button on cars. My heart bleeds for those effected but this will continue to happen until we stop kids driving cars. 17 is too early considering the type of cars available to youngsters now