The Daily Trump

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  1. sadbrewer

    sadbrewer Well-Known Member

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    Europe does need to stand up, but one problem is Germany.. they already have a most obstructive leader in Scholz, despite all that has happened he still blocks and slow times on much of the heavy and long range weaponry that Ukraine really needs...even Germany's Greens are more supportive of Ukraine.
     
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    Europe has generally been too slow to react to the threat from Russia, relying on the Americans to fund and staff European security. Well, those days are gone - unfortunately the cold reality is that unless Europe, as a collective, provides enough military disincentives then Putin isn't going to stop, whatever finally happens in Ukraine - the Baltic States, Rumania/Moldova, even Poland are in danger. I think that delaying any longer the serious need to tool up is going to lead to very bad consequences. This doesn't mean rejecting America as an ally or partner, its just recognising we can't rely on them, Japan have worked this out - check out their military spending trajectory.
     
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    upthecolliers Well-Known Member

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    We should rejoin the EU, a.s.p. It is no good relying on America when its deranged dictator is out of control, I'm not a violent man and would not condone it but I can see someone taking out Trump for the good of America and the world.
     
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    If you think that's good then I am gobsmacked. The world would be in a far worse place if someone bumped off Trump. His supporters and backers would cause a civil war over there. What they did at the Capitol Building would be absolutely nothing.

    Europe have taken advantage of America to protect our own continent for too long and now things are changing.
     
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    Also, lets not pretend that America hasn't always been a menace to democracy and human rights around the world - Vietnam, Angola, Cuba, The Middle East, most of South America at some point, always seem to back and fund the worse kind of dictators/murderers. I guess we've had it easy in the UK that they've been on our side until now.

    this is a good explanation of it all:

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNd1borYq/
     
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    Election next month and he's toast. Metz should get the gig and a far better bet
     
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    Darfield138 Well-Known Member

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    The EU isn't a military alliance and its response to any crisis is sclerotic and riven by self interest. Look at what happened at their "unity" summit on monday.
     
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    What we should do is to up military spending, no choice but try and get a europe wide agreement that for strategic reasons we will all chose european manufactured weapons instead of american ones, adding that trump had made the USA a unreliable ally and therefore arms supplier. When he gets it in the neck from the powerful US arms manufacturers he might get a message based on the one thing he understands: money.
     
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    I sometimes wonder how we are where we are, but then I read one of your posts and it reminds me that there are people who will happily swallow and regurgitate all sorts of drivel.
     
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    I've thought that myself. There are enough arms dealers in Europe to plug the gap. They also need to agree on one specification for each weapons unit rather than have different systems. They also need to agree funding. They also need to agree. Whether they can is another matter. Running around like headless chickens at the moment.
     
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    They are not just protecting Europe they are protecting themselves , Trump seems to be on a mission to undermine European democracy, undermine Ukraine ( his comments about Ukraine starting the war and Zelenskyy are disgraceful) Vance meeting with the German far right/ racist party is deeply worrying . Open Nazi rallies in Italy , Nazis parading through the streets of Washington ,Fascist training camps in open site in our own country. We need to wake up before the unimaginable comes knocking on our doors
     
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    There was an excellent article by Zoe Williams a few days ago and saying we shouldn't be shy to call this what this is. It's been rising for years. Pretending to go by another name, populism, our everyday mate, a good old mucker. Nothing to see here.

    The one quote she used to good effect of Michael Rosen, and I paraphrase, is "I sometimes fear people think fascism will arrive in fancy dress."

    The new world order is exactly what it looks like. Are we too frozen with fear to name it? | Zoe Williams | The Guardian

    Worth a read by people of all creeds, views and beliefs.
     
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    The Americans - and British - supported the Khmer Rouge in exile for nearly 20 years after they were overthrown. We sent the SAS To Cambodia to train their rebel soldiers in jungle fighting and the USA gave them millions every year and both recognised them as the official government at the UN until 1993, after Clinton was elected. This was over a decade after "The Killing Fields" had won Oscars for showing the genocide that the Khmer Rouge did.
     
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    There is not a single realistic outcome that is good for Ukraine in all of this.
     
  15. Dan

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    Forgot to mention earlier that last night Trump 'misspoke' and referred to Bidens administration as the Trump administration. Surprisingly, I've seen little mention of this in our mainstream media.

    And fair play to Zelenskyy calling out Trump. It takes a comedian to show the bravery in speaking truth to power.
     
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    What happens then? I'll tell thi what: President Vance! And yer thowt it couldn't get any worse. Think on, sithi!
     
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    Aye, I read that article missen. Whether there's a sustained rise in fascism remains to be seen. I think, more importantly, Trump is acknowledging and ushering in a new world geopolitical order where the strong do well and the weak are exploited for political and economic gain. Ukraine looks weak to Trump I think. Palestinians look weak. There's no sense of ensuring a status quo/ balance of power now as there was after 1945. Trump is ripping all that up. He's effectively doing a deal with Russia not on behalf of peace but because US narrow interests are what matter. The peace deal is a smokescreen for that. Europe/the EU/Britain need to wake up to this new reality. At the moment they too all look weak in the big picture. It will be interesting to see how China/Taiwan plays out in the next few years. Taiwan also looks relatively isolated and weak. We'll see wont we?
     
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    The way the world's going reminds me so much of Orwell's 1984 when 3 totalitarian dictatorships carved up the world between them.

    For Oceania,Eastasia and Eurasia read United States,Russia & China.
     
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    LOL You dont think there's any benefit to America of having its bases dotted around Europe?
     
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    No the EU isn't a military alliance - contrary to what the likes of Fartage was telling us about the "EU Army" for donkey's years.
     
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