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There’s zero evidence to support him being Muslim, mate. I’m not sure that it matters anyway. He was clearly unwell, and did despicable things that are impossible for me to comprehend. Which religion he likes doesn’t make a blind bit of difference.

Racists then attacked mosques. One is run by a lad I know, called Adam. One of the nicest blokes on earth. He went and met the rioting racists. Broke bread with them, offered them drinks. Because he’s a nice fella. Not because he’s a Muslim.

 

Where's the evidence of him being a radicalised Muslim? Isn't it likely that if he was committing to an act of terrorism then his ownership of terrorist materials is likely due to the content rather than an ideological cause?

I also note you of all the posts you've responded to you haven't responded to what I said about Trump being way more of a grifter and puppet than Harris.

 

He was a psychopath wanting to commit an atrocity. Does it not make sense that he'd be on the internet trying to find tipsmamd guidance on how to do that? And doesn't it make sense that an Al-Qaida training manual would give him a few tips? He also had ricin, does that make him an American?

 

Mate, you're going to find no support on here if even on these basic topics you're spouting rubbish.

Anybody can get hold of that textbook (that in part lies the problem) he was also fascinated with Hitler, does that bring him back round to Christianity?

The actual facts are he was born in a Christian household and raised Christian and the person in charge of the case against him has said in the article above he's not converted to Muslim faith.

If you're going to have a discussion can we please stick to facts when they're presented to you and not try push an agenda with ill-informed nonsense, it really puts people off taking your other points seriously.

 

Nice people do nice things, being humble they may say it's due to their faith it isn't.
Evil people do evil things, some hide behind religion.
Of course radicalisation happens.
Hopefully we will outgrow religion as a species but that doesn't look to be on the cards anytime soon.
Islam like many faiths is used to justify horrible acts across the world.

 

Would love to reply to every comment on here but gonna call it a day now- would go on forever. Had no intention of going into the deep Southport stuff. Just been traveling hours so I think that’ll be it for me on this thread now and just going to stick to the football ones. Enjoyed the back and forths for the most part though

 

Okay last one- my point on him being a Muslim wasn’t even to do with the incident itself, I never said that and now people are turning it into a completely different debate. My original point was that I didn’t think someone should’ve got locked up for comments on twitter questioning if it was to do with radicalized islam. Of course there’s good and bad Muslims just like there is of every religion, race, culture, etc

 

Can you at least acknowledge that there is no evidence he was Muslim and that it is logical for someone planning to commit an atrocity would read up on how to commit atrocities regardless of religion? I feel it's only fair that you correct yourself when you post untruths that spreads misinformation. Especially if it was unintentional

 

Sure. I think you’re missing my point though. I don’t care what religion he is but he is scum and not sure why everything’s been so secretive about him and reporting. They found an Al-Quida manual and that was reported so he obviously has some radicalized views.

Maybe he had some Christian radicalized documents too I have no idea. My original point was that twitter profile getting locked up for asking if he was Muslim

 

And feel free to let me know the facts about him then that you’ve found- just did a google search now and there’s literally nothing out there at all around him and what happened outside of what I posted earlier

Just feels strange for such a horrific and tragic event for us to not know about anything

 

I just feel it's important to not peddle misinformation, which going back to your original comment, is why that guy got in trouble, he was sharing false information to invite hatred.

It hasn't been secretive, it's all been reported normally. He was a child so there is certain reporting restrictions. I believe that's wrong in general but it's how it pretty much always works.

Yes he had radical views, that had been widely reported. He was obsessed with murder and genocide, it's why he had am Al-Qaida training manual, why he had ricin etc.

Genuine question, prior to his trial what reporting do you think was covered up?

 

There is loads out there. Such as where his family were originally from. Where he was born, where he moved to and lived. His Christian upbringing, his obsession with murder and genocide, his previous violent behaviour, the fact he had been reported to terrorism departments (or whatever them technical term is) , the fact that they didn't act on it because they found zero evidence to suggest his genocidal thoughts were based on political motivation and therefore it wasn't terrorism. The fact he was found with amongst other things an Al-Qaida handbook downloaded from the internet, that he had the chemical ricin, popular with American terrorists. Information is out there, it wasn't covered up.

I'm not sure what else would normally be released

 

Well back to my original point I don’t think unless someone is directly inciting violence it should warrant an arrest. Half of twitter and Facebook would be locked up if that’s all it took and that goes for things beyond what we’re talking about. Slippery slope

Maybe covered up is the wrong terminology but there was nothing about him at all, no pictures, no nothing. Surely the government or police could have put something out to counteract all the different rumours/misinformation coming out and quell some unrest. People were raging at the time and for good reason! All them young girls he killed!

If it’s purely down to his age and that’s why then makes sense.

I’ve now sent about 5 messages after saying I wasn’t going to post anymore. I’m off for a nap now

 

What exactly did they tweet?

 

If it's the person I think it is then he tweeted these tweets

"Rise up English lads. 8pm tomorrow St Luke's Mosque"

"Message to all...Stand in our way, even if you’re just doing your job …prepare to fall"

And then after the violent attacks on the mosque he posted

"Well done last night lads, to all you heavy hitters.. Are you ready for Round 2???...Liverpool Mosque west Derby Road, Friday 8pm."


And also tweeted

“Bootle Strand Council offices. They are responsible for letting so many w**** (sounds like logs) live and work in our area. Burn it ******* Down. Friday 8pm.”


So no he didn't just ask if the guy was Muslim

 

Not the least being the crusades perpetrated by the Christians on the new Muslim faith which they clearly regarded as a threat to their position...

As an atheist the whole concept of religion is nonsense to me and the fact that the "love" and devotion to a god leads some people to commit atrocious crimes against other people is the ultimate condemnation.

 

Christianity has done so much harm to the world too I agree.
Believing you have devine right on your side can lead to a very dangerous approach to life.
Luckily most religious people aren't like that.
In fact I often think a lot of religious people probably just hope their is an afterlife rather believe it. Or they wouldn't be so sad when people die.

 

Surely that’s because you miss them and have to face the next 20/30/40 without them though, even if you believe you’ll see them again and get to spent eternity together eventually?

(I’m not the slightest bit religious at all and don’t believe in an afterlife).

 

Nobody got locked up for comments on twitter questioning if it was to do with radicalised Islam. And it would take at most, 60 seconds to find that out. So why do people gullibly swallow such nonsense?

It’s a shame that the first thought in the tiny minds of too many whenever an atrocity occurs, is what colour the perpetrators are or which religion they follow.

A scumbag murdered his ex, her sister and her mother last year, using a crossbow. Immediately on social media when his face was shown, there were the usual scum screaming “one of them again”. Because apparently he looked brown/muslim.

He was a white, non-Muslim Brit. Ex Army. Who idolised Andrew Tate (another scumbag).

The outcry disappeared. The morons first referring to him as “one of them” moved onto whatever a far right, uneducated racist does with their sad f****** lives.

As you can tell, I’m very ‘woke’, a leftist or whatever label is now used to refer to folk whose ideals are diametrically opposed to such as Hitler. But like you, I’ll leave this debate for today. There’s a football match to moan about soon!

Take care.

 

Don't really see a problem with anyone having a belief/faith in a God. I know a few who it's turned there life around for the better. I don't think any bible or religion is telling people to harm other humans. I don't think in England religion is very big anymore especially in the young.