Poll: What is your gender (serious answers only please)

Nowt to do with Co-op Insurance then.

 

Crazy decision.

A massive step backwards for human rights in this country. It affects the lives of a lot more than just trans people, too. Cis women can now legally be blocked from entering women's spaces and are able to be strip searched by male police officers if he says he thought they were trans.

I'm sure the bigots cheering this on don't care though. All they care about is inflicting as much misery on trans people as possible, they don't care about anything else.

 

" Cis women can now legally be blocked from entering women's spaces"
I haven't seen that said in any reports in the news, what's that about?

 

All you have to do is say you think they’re trans. There’s no way to prove “biological sex” so for all intents and purposes any woman can now be banned from women’s spaces or strip searched by male police officers etc. if someone decides they don’t look “feminine enough”

 

I take your point, but perhaps 'legally blocked' is the wrong term to use.

 

It absolutely is legal because there’s no way to prove “biological sex”. There’s literally no method that would include every cis woman and include zero trans women.

 

That’s quite an extreme interpretation of the ruling, taking it to the opposite extreme of those who wrongly believe anyone can simply claim to be trans to access protected spaces.

You're right that some bigoted individuals will welcome this ruling, but I don't think it's fair to group everyone with concerns about these issues into that category. Doing so only deepens division and takes us further away from finding constructive, balanced solutions to what is a genuinely complex and sensitive matter.

 

That’s not correct though is it?
The law clearly states they would be searched based on their birth sex not how they look.

 

I’m pointing out why it’s a ridiculous ruling.

Not a single trans rights group was allowed to make their case. Many anti-trans hate groups were though.

The only people “fighting” for the rights of trans people was the scottish government who have taken a far less passionate stance recently so even they weren’t arguing for trans rights. It’s just pathetic all around and yet another stain on our country as it moves further right wing.

 

Give me a method for determining “birth sex” that includes 0 trans women and every cis woman.

There’s none.

 

I would ‘assume’ but could easily be wrong for a legal context it would be based on what is on a birth certificate.
I’m not saying I agree or disagree with that principal when a strip search I’m saying it won’t be based on how they look

 

Trans people have their correct gender on their birth certificate, not their gender assigned at birth.

Even if that wasn’t the case, who is carrying their birth certificate around to show to a policeman?

It all comes down to it absolutely will be based on how they look. And policemen will absolutely use it as a way to assault women.

 

Who are these polices doing checks on people entering women's spaces?

 

Fantastic post.

 

I’m talking about 2 different things.

Any woman will now legally be able to be blocked from women’s spaces if someone (presumably the owner of the establishment) decides they’re not feminine looking enough.

Part of the ruling means that trans women will have to be strip searched etc. by male police officers. As there’s no way to prove “biological sex” this will fall to the judgement of the police.

 

I understand your concern, but that interpretation isn’t accurate.

Firstly, the idea that any woman could now be excluded from women’s spaces based on appearance misunderstands both the ruling and how equality law works. Protections against discrimination are still in place, and no ruling gives blanket permission to exclude people purely based on how “feminine” they look. If anything, assuming someone’s gender and denying them access based on appearance opens up legal risk for the establishment, not the individual.

Secondly, the claim about strip searches also misrepresents the situation. The judgment doesn't require trans women to be searched by male officers—rather, it highlights the legal tension between sex-based rights and gender identity in certain contexts. But in practice, operational guidelines are informed by a person’s lived identity, risk assessments, and dignity considerations—not solely “appearance” or guesswork. It’s not a free-for-all based on individual judgement.

The reality is complex, yes—but boiling it down to worst-case scenarios risks creating fear rather than clarity. What we need now is thoughtful discussion, not assumptions that sow more division.

 

Ok so if it will be based on birth certificate (where the gender can be changed) anyone can just say they didn't trust the birth certifcate and thought it was a trans person.

If someone can point out a method for identifying trans women that includes 0 cis women i'll accept i'm wrong about it also being used against cis women.
I'll still disagree with removing the rights of trans women, but i'll accept i'm wrong about that aspect. It won't happen though because there is no method.