Poll: What is your gender (serious answers only please)

Then I stand corrected sir.

 

I assume the usual drug rules will come into play, testosterone tests etc.

I'm not saying that , up to them whether or not to use make up.

 

I see what you're saying, but similar things had already been going on to an extent before this ruling. I'm thinking of the female boxer in the Olympics who was baselessly accused of being trans or intersex. Turned out she was nothing of the sort, just quite a bit bigger than the average female. Another case in point as to why we need open and respectful debate around the subject, rather than people just hurling insults at each other.

 

That's why I didn't state who he was because the automatic assumption is man. In reality Scotland have just declared him a woman based on what was writt on his birth certificate decades ago. Remember we don't do biology tests on new borns so it really is just what a doctor assumes from sight.

 

The difference is though that before there were more legal protections in place for trans women.

I’m sorry but i can’t be respectful to people that are cheering the removal of human rights from people that i care about. Just like I wouldn’t be respectful to people talking about bringing back racial segregation etc.

 

As I say, sport is incredibly difficult to navigate in this context because so many biological factors contribute to athletic performance. It’s not just about testosterone levels or muscle mass—there are a whole range of variables at play, such as lung capacity, limb length, bone density, fast-twitch muscle fibres, and even factors like reaction time and endurance.

These natural variations exist among all athletes, regardless of gender identity, and they often give certain individuals significant advantages. For example, elite-level sport is full of outliers—people whose physiology gives them an edge before any training even begins.

That’s what makes the debate around trans inclusion so complex. Where do we draw the line between a natural competitive edge and an unfair advantage? And how do we balance inclusion with fairness, without reducing people to just a set of biological metrics?

There are no easy answers, and it’s understandable that people hold different views.

 

Also I’d assume he’s had his birth certificate changed to his correct gender so they’re going off a document that is no longer legally valid and could have been destroyed etc. Maybe they’ve invented time machines and not told anybody.

 

Which is why birth certificates should never have been allowed to change. There you've got your passport/drivers licence as proof. Not that it's likely to be needed of course. The number of females that are over 6 foot say do it and are trans and have surgically and hormonal changed their bodies is only likely to be in the thousands if that.

 

All those documents you’ve mentioned will have the correct gender for a trans person.

So it comes down to looks, and as you’ve immediately jumped to, you’re now excluding women because they’re over 6 foot. Very feminist of you.

 

This is indeed true, though I only found this out recently. Just before COVID I flew into Luton Airport on a virtually empty early morning flight. Tired and dazed, I ambled into the bogs for my morning dump. I was rudely brought out of my trance by the sound of high heels and female voices outside the cubicle. It was only when I looked down and saw a tampon bin that the full horror of what I'd done became clear. I'd accidentally walked into the ladies', but not noticed as it was empty and I wasn't using the urinals. I spent the next half hour sitting there plotting my escape by trying to figure out which direction the nearby footsteps were going in. I was on the verge of texting my mate who was meeting me and asking him to call the airport and explain my predicament, when everything went silent. I made a quick run for it, but was spotted leaving the bogs by at least two women. I was absolutely shitting it that someone would report me to security and I'd end up on the sex offenders register. So you can imagine my surprise and relief when my mate's wife told me that it's not an offence for a bloke to have a poo in the ladies' toilet, it's just a bit weird.

 

No I'm not. I'm trying to think of the scenario you possibly are on about, which the doesn't make much sense to me. And never once have you showed any compassion for the likes of the poor woman who was raped in a hospital ward and then told it didn't happen because there were no makes in the ward. There was though, a trans woman get she was gaslighted.

 

Sex matters

 

Ruling very recently has changed ref sports. Don’t know the exact details but know a female who plays for England celebrating because they have been campaigning for trans etc to not play in Women’s competitions.
Edit: didn’t realise until reading further down they were born as a female.

 

I have sympathy for anybody that is assaulted in any way. Im not aware of the case you’re talking about but it sounds to me like the hospital staff failed in their duty of care for their patients. The rapist should obviously face the full force of the law and the hospital should be investigated how it allowed that to happen.

The solution isn’t to collectively punish all trans women though. Thats just sinister.

 

That's the point I'm trying to make though. There are a lot of people - very reasonable, socially liberal people - who have legitimate concerns about issues such as women's safety, integrity in women's sports etc. Under no circumstances can I see that they are cheering about the removal of other people's human rights.

You are right that there are certain groups, mostly on the right, who are indeed celebrating this ruling out of malice and prejudice against trans people. Such people are utterly reprehensible, and have no place in any society I wish to be part of. But making blanket accusations that anyone who questions certain pro-trans positions is "bigoted", is also unhelpful in my opinion.

 

I’ve asked multiple times but give me a method for determining sex at birth that has a 100% success rate and doesn’t incorrectly identify any cis women as male at birth.

There are none, so it becomes open to interpretation.

 

It is a case whereby a transphobic member of the house of lords alleged that an undisclosed victim was raped by an undisclosed perpetrator in an undisclosed hospital and alleged that the undisclosed hospital refused to acknowledge it as a rape because the undisclosed victim was transgender and due to our discriminatory law on rape only a biological male can be accused of rape. Women have immunity under British discriminatory laws.

Obviously the simple solution there is to change the discriminatory law so that female rapists can be charged with rape but instead we have decided to go down a moral minefield of redefining who is allowed to be called a woman instead so that women can retain their immunity but only the women we want to retain it.

 

Weirdo

 

Would you say it’s reasonable for someone to say “i’m not racist i just have concerns over the safety of white children having to go to school with black children”?

I would hope (and assume) the answer is no. So why do we allow transphobes to do this?

 

I completely see where you’re coming from—there really isn’t a way to determine sex at birth that’s 100% accurate without the risk of getting it wrong, even for cis women. That’s a genuinely important point, and one I think too many people overlook.

But to me, that doesn’t settle the wider discussion—it just highlights how complex all of this really is. Most areas of life already require interpretation and judgement, and this is no different. Trying to reduce it all to one rule or definition doesn’t reflect how people actually live or experience the world.

I also think it’s worth saying that, no matter which way policies lean—whether they prioritise inclusion or focus on protection—there’s always potential for them to be misused. That’s not a reason to give up on trying to get it right, though. It just means we need to stay honest about the trade-offs and be willing to approach this with care, empathy, and an understanding that one-size-fits-all solutions rarely treat everyone fairly.

I genuinely don't know what the solution is on this issue that will allow resolution. Like all things in society I suppose it will just take a lot of time an patience until a better balance is found.
I suppose we should also appreciate we live in a country where we a free to actually debate this while large parts of the globe don't even allow for basic human rights as we would view them.