That depends. A large number of Leave voters might have voted to reduce immigration, but at the same time a sizable group of Asian and African immigrants were told voting leave (Priti Patel was doing this) would be a good way to increase immigration from their former countries - and family/friends. I suspect that this group might have been large enough to swing the referendum vote. But the entire country voted to replace temporary white, Christian Europeans with permanent African and Asians. And now the same people who voted for it are complaining that they got what they voted for...
Yes really. Just an opinion mate. But one I truly believe. Was the cause. All racists voted brexit Not all brexit voters were racist. And imo they swung the vote. (1% difference wasn’t it. ) Why do you think the advertising campaign imo made such a focus of it (or don't you remember the financial issue putting supposedly/or factually more in and getting less out of the union.) and the biggest by a country mile led by that lovely person Boris against his own leader of the party. Some I know that voted Brexit did it as a protest vote on finances and didnt think for one minute the brexit vote would win. and regretted it ever since. I don't think the racists do.
a bit of a broad generalisation there. I take it you don’t vote reform. the argument there is that your narrow minded view isn’t much better than a far right one. reform appeals to people who feel that the 3 historically ‘main parties’ have consistently let them down - for the amount of votes they’re getting iyou have to take note it’s well reported that they’ve won votes from staunch labour and conservative voters, so does this mean I’m right in assuming that labour and conservatives have historically got in off the back of these same people?
Because I try and de-escalate when someone claims my post is idiotic then goes on the claim I’m responsible for various human rights abuses and genocide? Bit rich.
I don’t engage with racists. My grandad fought nazis. Later he would confront the NF in the street he didn’t wait to listen to their ‘concerns’. We should not give oxygen to racists. Their opinion views and often lives are pretty meaningless. Sad fools who want to blame someone else for their **** lives. Personal responsibility. Lapping up simple answers for complex issues rather than looking at themselves. Reform appeals to racists and anyone who believes a ltd company owned by multi millionaire ex public school boys are anything other than the establishment deserve all they get. End of the day I will be ok either way but the lemmings voting for Reform almost certainly won’t be when they have to start paying For US style medical insurance. Still Darwinism in action to be fair.
Certainly not stupid lovely people like you. Go join your national front rally. People see right through you and know exactly what motivates you. Removing the good will and assume you are deliberately lying but try your lies on people tho j enough to believe you my little poppet.
See, it’s barely a mask at all. Very righteous left. I voted Lib Dem in the Generals, and Green in the locals. Genuinely no pleasing this lot.
Depends how you view it - the financial element might have ‘tipped the balance’ by a couple of percent but I’d maintain the bigger majority of the working and middle classes who voted for it were doing so to ‘take back control’ - I’d argue that was a bigger element. Anyone who voted for it solely on the evidence of the Boris bus would have regretted it within hours - given they all backed away from it very quickly - Farage even doing so on live tv that very morning. The planks who thought it would lead to getting rid of all the foreign types - not so much. They can’t regret what they don’t understand. Wasn’t it an old fella in Barnsley who said (words to the effect of) ‘forget the economy, all of that, it’s all about these immigrants. I don’t mind the Europeans; but it’s all these Muslims…’ - he was ridiculed. But he reflected a massive part of the thinking and the electorate. Nothing has improved in the years since. I live in Donny. We have just had a Reform majority win the council here. The same turkeys who voted for Christmas nine years ago are now looking to elect Bernard Matthews as a spokesperson… There’s no helping some. The best thing is they genuinely believe the rhetoric. They really think Nigel Farage is a progressive leader and will improve the country for all as the next prime minister. The Donny electorate were really special in that they elected dozens of Reform councillors, few of whom are remotely qualified or experienced to serve on the council, turfing out really strong local representatives from various wards in the process - but didn’t elect the Reform mayoral candidate, mainly because they put up a candidate that just couldn’t be taken seriously given he’s just turned thirty and his main working experience is as an underpants model. No joke. So we still have a Labour mayor, she’s appointed a few Labour councillors only in her official cabinet - and has drawn up an unofficial group from all parties to save face - but one which doesn’t have any actual final say on anything. So Reform have the majority of the councillors but no actual sway. Around the election I had to inform a few people in the Barnsley area that they weren’t being ‘denied the chance to vote for Reform’; they hadn’t been ‘stopped from voting’ - they just didn’t have an election this year. They will be electing councillors next year. They wouldn’t have it. One older lady even said it’s the first year she’s ever not voted in a local election as there’s been one every year for fifty years and she was being denied her right… Every person has an equal vote and that is the fundamental right of democracy - but it has to be said given the ease at which some people are gaslit, the lack of general understanding of a fair few, and also the abhorrent (and often illegal) views of an increasing number, there are some things the general public shouldn’t be allowed to vote on. Something as fundamental as leaving the eu should have been left to more qualified people to debate and decide properly. The country is in a much bigger mess now than it was before. It would probably have been anyway with a succession of Tory governments mismanaging every given situation and Covid bankrupting the world - but in any given situation we’d be much better off within the eu. Those that don’t accept that still are the ones who voted for it for the reasons I mentioned, plus the ones who benefited to the tune of millions by backing against their own country. Like the odious cretin that is Nigel Farage, who’s trousered millions in the interim and is now bullshitting himself into relevance and power. If the USA are thick enough to elect Donald Trump twice, the U.K. is thick enough to elect Nigel Farage.
I still maintain if the NHS bus malarkey hadn't happened. Which was basically saying we were spunking £350m per week overriding what was coming back. That swung the vote. Saying it could fund the NHS. yet that never happened and the NHS ended up in a worse state than the poor state it was prior to brexit. That is how I view it. The country is in a bigger mess than brexit. Also at the time Barnsley was getting funding from the EU. Funding that was very short of supply from central government. Torys looking after their own constituencies. 2nd worst in the country I believe at the time. Immigration was an issue. But little englanders didn't give a **** about anything else. And voted accordingly. And the NHS ****** issue created far more than 2% to vote brexit I would imagine. (Certainly double figures imo) Also the stay a homers who thought it wouldnt happen didn't help.. As for taking back control. (Fartage was the control of borders) The main reason imho was the financial implications and destiny of being in the union. By not only working folk but lots of business's. Eg. Tim Wetherspoon Dyson Another who buggered the business off to other shores even though he got what he wanted. (Not in the minds of the racists btw) They used the NHS bus to emphasis it. They toured the country with the bloody thing. You mention Gaslit (manipulation) if the bus wasn't gaslighting I'm not sure what is. Brexit has done more damage on most fronts. Let's thank the perpetrators for that.
Another day goes by with those extolling the virtues of Reform, playing Devils Advocate about why people are "looking for the alternative" and yet still we haven't anyone with the stones to admit to voting for them. Odd.
Loads of people voted for them, I just find it amusing that very, very few admit to it in public. If they aren't racist, could I ask what policies attracted them to vote that way? I get why people voted for Brexit initially - the leave campaign were very effective with their stream of lies. But to double down and still vote for Reform over 6 years later? It's stunning really.
I didn’t vote reform in the last election. It’s probably worth pointing out though that religious and political beliefs are classed as sensitive personal information, so why get offended if someone doesn’t pipe up which way they vote. my point for jimmy viz is purely you cannot tar everyone with the same brush.a lot of people claiming benefits when they can’t be bothered working or declaring false profits / taking cash and not declaring it to claim UC etc need to also look at themselves
Your whataboutery is meaningless. So again Reforms only offering is racism. People who vote for them shouldn’t be listened. Shouldn’t have their concerns addressed. They should be pitied and ignored in equal measure. Next up. ‘Not all Nazi’s were bad’.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, but you’ll find come the next election that 1 in 6 you come into contact with will have voted for them so get your reformdar on high alert. I’ll assume you give any of your surplus money to others more needy and have a zero on your bank statements every month with no pension and a community owned home /equity if owned given to those in need.
